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Spun content and the need to be human

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Squidoo faces a serious crossroads, one that effects our entire community. We’ve got millions of fabulous pages, hand-built by passionate people–lenses we can be proud of. Lately, though, a new tide of pages threatens the overall quality of our site.

As various organizations and individuals have worked to industrialize the human art of creating content online, a common tactic is “spun content”. This has always been a violation of our TOS, but lately it has become widespread. This involves using various techniques to produce thin, almost meaningless text that might read like:

“The best t-shirts, long sleeve shirts, hoodies and clothing for men, women, and kids. T-shirts, hoodies, long and short sleeve shirts and apparel are on sale below. You have watched the series, now own t-shirts for the whole family! Plus the most popular shirts and hoodies.”

Loading text with keywords and writing circular, impersonal sentences used to be able to fool the search engines, but it’s not fair to our readers and it doesn’t work any longer regardless.

We’re currently building tools that will search for lenses that use spun content and either delete the lens or the entire account.

Here’s what you should do:

Go through your lenses. Find the ones where you don’t have anything to say and delete them. For the rest, say something! Make it personal. Highlight your own experiences and your own points of view and make it yours.

As of today, we’ve turned off the ability to transfer lenses, as we’ve found that many of the worst offenders are template lenses that were purchased from other individuals. We encourage people who want to create content like this to go to other sites or to start their own.

Guys, we can do better than this. Without the trust that Squidoo lenses are personal and useful, we lose too much of what we’ve built for so long.

Thanks for your continued enthusiasm and for doing what we all set out to do seven years ago. Share your passions.

The Squids

PS – Curious as to what a great lens with lots of stuff for sale looks like? Take a look at this, this and this.

Bonnie Diczhazy (bdkz) is Editor of the SquidooHQ Blog and Head of Community here at Squidoo.com.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TheGardenGuys TheGardenGuys

    Glad to hear this. Let’s keep it clean and interesting !!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/inkbydesign inkbydesign

    may I be the first to say congrats. I Think it’ll add weight to the writers and producers of the lenses that remain

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DaveStone13 DaveStone13

    Looks like a smart move in the right direction. Page authority for the Squidoo domain is extremely important here, and it will be eroded without some controls.

    I’d like to go retro for a moment though and suggest the return of the “Thumbs Down” button, at least for Squid Angels. These could serve as an alert. I say this because the duplicate content filter now in use doesn’t work very well. I’ve only had two pegged out of over 250, but the filter never accepted my corrections on either one. So, automation, unless it’s very careful, may not be the best answer.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/thenumber73 thenumber73

      I agree there with the problem of automation. Although, I am in full agreement with the steps being taken to remove “spun” content, I know that no system is faultless.

      Would hate to see any lenses get picked up in error by an automated detector and deleted without any option for human intervention. My suggestion would be to treat any lenses caught by this new content filter in the same way as those caught by the duplication filter, i.e. lock them first prior to deletion. This would mean that if a small number of “good” lenses are caught in error, there’s a chance to easily restore them following a manual review.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

    Please don’t do this. I have clients who love help making lenses, or don’t have time to do a lot of their own. Why not do what Zujava does and require 500 minimum word content??? That way you’ll still get quality content, and we will still have the ability to transfer lenses. Please reconsider this!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

      Requiring 500 minimum word content does not stop spun articles/lenses. You could have a 1000 word article that was spun and put in a lens. I hope that they will reconsider and find another solution too, because the ability to transfer lenses has been one of the best unique features of Squidoo. Honestly I do not see how their stopping the transfer of lenses prevents spun content in any way whatsoever. So…we’ll see.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

        I agree. I was simply trying to think of a solution, because the lens that was shared and condemned was basically because it just contained all Amazon modules. I thought if they had a content requirement, then it would force people to add content or mix things up a bit. Who knows. I just don’t think stopping lens transfers is a good solution.

    • Papiers

      I beg to differ. I’m afraid those writers will just write 500 copied or ridiculous words. The Squidoo brand is certainly suffering now from the preponderance of new rotten quality lenses with writing that lacks cohesiveness, correct grammar, or originality.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CraigGG CraigGG

      I have to agree with that. I don’t like the lenses that are 100 words and 70 Amazon ads.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/greenspirit greenspirit

    That sounds like the beginning of good news all round Bonnie.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nancycarol nancycarol

    Good for Squidoo! It’s great you’re doing something about these “spun” lenses. I

    couldn’t agree more!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vallain vallain

      but it also means we can’t transfer a lens to a friend as a gift or as an enticement to get them started on Squidoo. ;-(

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/thenumber73 thenumber73

    YES!! Am thrilled to read this Bonnie. You know how much I love Squidoo, and my thoughts on good and bad lenses, so this is fantastic news that HQ are taking decisive action to rid Squidoo of the kind of content described here.

    I know there will be some who won’t be happy if they stand to see any of their own lenses, but I’m convinced this is a good (and bold) step in the right direction to help preserve it’s good reputation! :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Teri-Singer Teri-Singer

    Although the steps must be difficult, they are often the ones most rewarding. Thanks for sharing and encouraging us to be original.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RoxieCottontail RoxieCottontail

    What about the people that are posting content from content farms and buying Squilikes to boost their rank? They’re doing it to build links off of Squidoo’s domain authority and build their Author Rank with Google. Not to mention that they are even paying people on Squidoo to promote those low quality lenses within their own high ranking ones. Is it possible for that to be addressed to maintain the quality of the content on Squidoo?

    • http://gilhildebrand.com/ Gil Hildebrand

      We regularly lock accounts of people abusing Squidlikes. And we have all sorts of other monitoring systems to detect duplicate content and other forms of low quality content. This is just one more step…

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Aunt-Mollie Aunt-Mollie

        Gil, did you know that there is now a Facebook group that is trading Squid clickouts? It seems to be the same group that is selling “Likes” and “Blessings” under multiple lensmaster accounts. The mastermind has a little fraud racket going to write the $5 lenses, like them, bless them and provide clickouts.

        • http://gilhildebrand.com/ Gil Hildebrand

          Please report using the Bugs & Feedback link. Thanks for your help!

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DaveStone13 DaveStone13

            Gil, we will all help, but I’m surprised something so blatant was missed by HQ in the first place.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/katiecolette katiecolette

          That’s pretty messed up. I had no idea…

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

            Oh you would be surprised at what some people are doing. This is just one of the tricks that is being used.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nightcats nightcats

        I am way too innocent, but how do you abuse Squidlikes?

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DaveStone13 DaveStone13

        The duplicate content filter is seriously flawed, as has been noted by many, especially concerning re-edited content; so, while I applaud the effort, I hope more care is taken with using and maintaining filters. And more diligence in responding with something other than the usual silence when lensmasters protest would be great.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RoxieCottontail RoxieCottontail

        You can purchase hundreds of Squidlikes on Fiverr for $5 to level up and to increase your ranking. But Squidoo monitors that.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/goldenecho goldenecho

      Yeah, buying Squidlikes is definately scummy.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/annmackiemiller annmackiemiller

    You have to be joking!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/JenniferAkers JenniferAkers

    I agree that spun, keyword-stuffed keywords have no place on Squidoo. I applaud your stand to take actions against those types of lenses. However, I am not happy that the ability to transfer a lens is taken away. I’m sure you’re aware of lensmasters/clients who hire writers for their lenses. I’m talking about quality lenses, NOT spun content. I hope you can find a way to target spun content and remove those lenses while reinstating the transfer ability for those of us who use it responsibly.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Sage62 Sage62

      I completely agree. Punish the keyword stuffers who make spammy lenses. Just because people who do this also seem to transfer lenses does NOT mean that everyone who transfers lenses are also producing spammy lenses. There has to be a way to tranfer lenses for legitimate reasons – a quality ghostwriter, someone splitting their account into tighter niches to improve reader experience etc. Banning everyone from transfering lenses is like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PaulOnBooks PaulOnBooks

    Speaking as someone who detests spun content and the associated tricks and cheats, and speaking as someone who has bought lenses from reputable sellers (operating from a tightly policed Facebook group) – and accepting that it’s my rep that will suffer or fall if I take on a lens that is in any way illegal – so speaking, this would appear to me to be holing the good guys below the waterline – major collateral damage. The decent sellers often use that income to subsidise quality but non-commercial lenses (or even perhaps to feed their children).

    Is this ban on transfers to be a short, temporary embargo or is it a permanent rearrangement of the economy?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bdkz bdkz

      You’re welcome to add your feedback here Paul: https://squidoo.wufoo.com/forms/lens-transferring/

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

        This form will enable everyone who needs to transfer lenses to let HQ know why, so can I suggest Bonnie that the link is added to the Blog Post, as some may find what you say on it reassuring – in as much as the ban on transferring appears to be for a trial period and that you are collecting feedback:

        “MARCH 1, 2013 – We’re turning off our Transfer Lens feature for 4 weeks pending review of feedback.

        Please let us know if you need transferring, and if so, why. After
        collecting private user feedback, we’ll make a decision about how we
        want to proceed.”

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bdkz bdkz

          AJ, when click on the “transfer a lens” link on your dashboard it takes you to the form.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

            Yes, but those who have read this blog wont be going to the transfer lens link will they?

            Surely in the interests of good communication, especially as it is a form that may give people some hope of being listened to, it would make sense to just add a Post Script to the original Post and add the link, plus an explanation of what it is?

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/A-Redneck A-Redneck

            I am just so very glad to see Squidoo making a move to crack down on the abuse here.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/healinghands123 healinghands123

            Amen, Sister!

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

            I agree. And the lens transfer ban started on the 28th, not the 1st, because I tried to transfer a client’s lens back to her yesterday, and I couldn’t. I certainly hope she doesn’t have to wait 4 weeks to get her lens back! I would not have tried to transfer otherwise.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/annmackiemiller annmackiemiller

    this is so NOT the way to stop spun articles – tackle the real problem with cheat and copycats

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/victoriuh victoriuh

    I love love love that you are addressing spun content. I am bummed about not being able to transfer lenses. Sometimes I make a lens for a quest and then later decide to sell it because it doesn’t really fit with a niche I have, but would work great for someone else. Please consider a way to allow transfers that verifies quality. Perhaps an age requirement for the lens? If a lens has been around for a certain amount of time it would have gone through whatever protocol or filter you are putting into place.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PaigSr PaigSr

    I know that I try and stick with the G rating on all my lenses. I am for the family and the fun. That is the main reason I was drawn to Squidoo. I understand that there are sales but literally spamming in your creations is not the right way to draw people. Adding a bit of yourself to every thing you write means more to the readers than you will ever know. I personally have gotten a few things just because of the reviews and comments that have been shared. So to all those out that that take there time and make it personal, Thank You.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LisaAuch LisaAuch

    thank you for taking action and listening to us :)

    **can I add that there are very honest and reliable people who make excellent lenses for others (or in my case, take my lens clean up my grammar and typos and send back to me) and it is such a shame that again the honest lose out due to the naughty behavior of some.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/elainechen elainechen

    I love Squidoo as this is the best platform for me to earn online. I definitely hope Squidoo always remain the quality that both human and search engine love.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jnpro12 jnpro12

    My problem with this policy is still encouraging the use of Amazon, eBay and Google News modules which all include duplicate content. I know they make money, but..

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PhoneGuru PhoneGuru

    I hope the ability to transfer lenses comes back once you handle the trouble-makers.

    However, since I’m one of those squidcrafters that spend over an hour on every lens, I highly applaud the decision to raise our quality. I love my lenses and I often worry that lower quality properties will lower the value of my handiwork.

    Thank you for protecting my investment of time in the community.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PhoneGuru PhoneGuru

      haha. I got a down vote! I guess spinners are also trolls…

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Val_Bonney Val_Bonney

      “Over an hour”??? … crikey, I spend days on each of mine … where am I going wrong, LOL!! ;)

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/peterduck peterduck

        Agreed. At the moment, I have no free time and the washing is piling up because it takes me so long to do each one.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Accordingtopamela Accordingtopamela

    How again does this help with spun content? People are still going to spin content and make sub-par lenses. I don’t see how disabling transfers is going to help with that. How is going to help with the people who are still buying / selling likes, blessings on Fiverr which pushes so much great content to the bottom lensrank wise? I applaud the attempt to clean up but it seems like disabling transfers is not the best way to resolve spun content.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lisadh lisadh

    I’m very glad Squidoo is cracking down on spammers, spun content and keyword stuffing. The ability to transfer lenses creates a huge opening for people to abuse the system and I can see how it can be used irresponsibly to create content quality nightmares.

    I’m not sure, however, if I think this is the best or right way to go about it. I know there are plenty of people who transfer lenses in a responsible way and I’ve bought quite a few lenses from lensmasters who had good, original content on them.

    Perhaps the right to transfer lenses should be reserved for those who reach a certain level (such as Giant Squid 100) and they should have to apply for the ability to have this access. That would require manual oversight which might cut down on spammers.

    A good keyword density filter would also be helpful in shutting down spammers, as well as helping the rest of us make sure we’re writing content that isn’t going to cause any red flags with Google.

    Maintaining quality on Squidoo is a huge challenge, and I don’t envy anyone who has to figure out how to do it. But please keep seeking out new solutions because it benefits all of us to have a site with content we can be proud of.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AmandaTWaH AmandaTWaH

      I actually really like the idea of making it a perk for lensmasters who reach a certain level of Giant Squid.

      • Papiers

        Great idea.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KittySmith KittySmith

        I thought this at first, then realized, the purchasers are the problem. And the good purchasers are doing this because they don’t feel they have the time, talent or inclination to write. I don’t think they will ever reach Giant Squid status on their own merits. sooo……

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

          “Good purchasers” have often got to Giant (many when Giant was 50 lenses, not 25) and Giant 100 on their own merits and certainly DO have the inclination and talent to write. Some of them have had Top Tier lenses for years. However, maintaining even 100 lenses takes time and if HQ wants these people (many who bring income into the site) to build their Squidoo portfolio, then there’s only so many hours in the day that an individual can devote to it.

          It is not fair to start making general statements like this and make negative comments to those who commission lenses.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bloomingrose bloomingrose

            I absolutely agree. I am upset about this development, it seems like an arbitrary ruling and one that impacts on the security of Squidoo as a way of making money. Oh, well.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vBizeso vBizeso

            yeah i agreee

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/adragast adragast

          Well, the level limitation could be on the seller part only. Only people who are giant squids or angels or high level squids could transfer a lens from their account and if they abuse it, they would lose their status (whichever it is to be able to transfer lenses).

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/poddys poddys

          I have been on Squidoo for 5 years and am a Giant 100, however I am short of time these days to create new lenses, and I have considered buying pre-made lenses from trusted lensmasters who I know create quality ones, just to save myself time and to allow myself to have a few lenses in a new niche.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MissKeenReviewer MissKeenReviewer

          I definitely agree- even if I am a struggling writer I feel that Squidoo is a place to share lens with personal touch and it is such a turn off to find lensmasters who have high rating lens are buying lens from other writer.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bloomingrose bloomingrose

          Sorry, that just isn’t true. I know excellent lensmasters – Giants, and people who have contributed excellence to Squidoo in many ways who buy and sell lenses. And give them away too, now we cannot do that I guess.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lisadh lisadh

          Kitty, I have over 600 published lenses, have a degree in journalism, have worked for newspapers and magazines, have had three lenses selected as LOTD… and I buy lenses.

          I reached Giant Squid status a long time on my own merit before I ever bought a lens. But now I do buy lenses periodically to save time. If someone else finds and creates a lens related to a topic I write about, I’d rather buy and personalize that lens rather than “steal” their keyword and create a lens on the exact same keyword.

          Plenty of good Giant Squids are in the same boat as I am and utilize freelancers to complement their own work.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/charlino charlino

            Will embrace the change, and do my best to comply.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TenPoundTenor TenPoundTenor

        Perhaps a better idea would be to require a lensmaster reach a certain rank and then be allowed to make a limited number of transfers a month. This number could increase the higher your rank. This would be a great way to make sure only dedicated lensmasters would have the ability to transfer lenses. Lets face it very few spammers will reach a very high rank. I know when I started out making lenses I was wanting to make money but somewhere along the line I started to love my lenses (some more than others) and I don’t believe anyone will get a high rank and not love squidoo.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/karenlea1 karenlea1

          this is a really good idea tenpound

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/goldenecho goldenecho

      I love the idea of only allowing transfering to those who reach a certain level, or even have that be a specific thing we apply for, sort of like we have to apply to be a Giant Squid (hey, transfer ability could come with being a Giant Squid?). Or there could be a Transfer Permit that we could apply for, and have revoked if we start passing on scummy lenses.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lenskeeper Lenskeeper

      I agree with this. When you reach a certain level, it should be a perk and people that abuse it repeatedly should lose their “giant squid” status.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Chadrew Chadrew

      I agree about it being a Giant Squid feature. Of course, it would be up to HQ to make sure only lensmasters with quality lenses make it into the program.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kiwinana71 kiwinana71

        Agee 100%

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/greenspirit greenspirit

        The problem there is that anyone can buy 25/50/100 lenses and become a giant / angel overnight with lens transfer. So those titles do not guarantee experience, site loyalty, or goodwill.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Chadrew Chadrew

          I might be wrong, but I thought transferred lenses didn’t count.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/greenspirit greenspirit

            I do hope that you are right, no one else I’ve asked seems to know.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

      Hmm. This makes sense and actually sounds like it could make a difference. Although it disappoints me too since I am not a giant squid and for the most part haven’t wanted to be, although I have started considering it recently.
      Also, it too punishes honest lens makers. I have a friend who makes lenses for others, while they are still unpublished she sends them back to the client for feedback, they transfer it back to her, she finishes it and then sends it back to them. Or there are those who have more than one account and need/want to transfer a lens from one to the other.
      Still, I suppose we would all adjust to that as a new system and just do things differently and be restricted in some ways.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kindoak kindoak

      I agree. I suggested a perk based on level but Giant 100 is perhaps a better idea since there is already a element of manual screening in that process.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/the_zhiff the_zhiff

      Very well said, I hope they pay attention.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CKatheman CKatheman

      I think this is a good idea (although I think 100 might be too high). Although I can’t imagine right now why I would want to transfer my lenses – there’s a bit of my own quirky personality in all of them!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/BlueObsidian BlueObsidian

    While I appreciate the dedication towards eliminating spun content, this is not the way to go about it. Eliminating the ability to transfer lenses will not stop a person from posting spun content. This change hurts numerous legitimate, talented sellers who rely on the income they make from creating content for other people. I am seriously confused about who is making the decisions at Squidoo right now. After numerous “upgrades” are rolled out with NO testing in advance and now this? This is bad leadership that will drive many talented writers away, to other platforms that respect our time.

    • http://gilhildebrand.com/ Gil Hildebrand

      You’re right that transferring lenses will not entirely stop spun content. However, spinning lenses for the purposes of selling them is a very common pattern that we had to stop. We’re working on more sophisticated algorithm approaches to detecting and blocking spun content.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/BlueObsidian BlueObsidian

        That worries me as much as ending lens transfers, particularly the line that says Squidoo is “building tools that will search for lenses that use spun content and either delete the lens or the entire account.” Now, judging by the number of false positives that other filters have, it seems like a bad idea to let these tools delete lenses or entire accounts. Can you tell us if there will be a hand review process before deletions?

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tokyonights7 tokyonights7

          You’ve just echoed my primary concern, BlueObsidian. I’d like a human being to look at my lens before it gets wiped off the board.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

            Me too!

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/terrapin719 terrapin719

            You would think that if lens creation requires the need to be human that lens deletion and review would require the same, right?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

      Answering the comment about who is making the decsions right now. In an interview with Tom that we published on Squidlog at the end of last year, when asked who was in charge Tom replied:

      “Well this truly is a team effort – there’s some extremely talented,
      friendly and creative people that make up HQ and everyone is “in charge”
      to an extent – but especially the community. We’re here for you, and of
      course Megan is irreplaceable – who would even try?!”

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/BlueObsidian BlueObsidian

        Well, that’s a charming answer, even if it completely untrue. If they were here for the community, they would consult the community on major decisions. Completely redoing the layout two weeks before Christmas, releasing updates to the Amazon module without testing them, and giving zero notice on the lens transfer ban are not things that help the community or support those of us who write full-time.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

        Ugh

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Yes, yes, yes!!!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Jadelynx Jadelynx

    I hate spun and copied content and I applaud your efforts to try to curtail or rid Squidoo of it. However, taking away the ability to transfer lenses is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Shutting down a whole and popular function on Squidoo, so you can stop the few that use spun content, is going overboard and hurting more folks than it is helping. Not to mention that it totally messes things up for lensmasters that have more than one account and transfer lenses between them for various, perfectly legitimate reasons. PLEASE reconsider this action. :(

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/artyfax artyfax

    A good move to tackle spun content, I have seen other sites go down the pan where this has not been tackled. The question of transfer is a little harsh however, I do not buy / sell or otherwise transfer lenses myself but there are some who do it legitimately.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lovelifelaughter Lovelifelaughter

    I really like the personal lenses with great content, so I’m glad that the removal of spun lenses will mean some of the really excellent ones will rise in rank.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lovelifelaughter Lovelifelaughter

    You can always tell when the writer is passionate about what they write. I tried to add this to the previous comment but my curser froze up.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Aunt-Mollie Aunt-Mollie

    I really hope you will be successful in stopping people from purchasing $5 lenses and posting them on Squidoo. You can’t buy quality content for $5 and it absolutely ruins the reputation of the site, in the eyes of visitors and of search engines.

    That said, there is no substitute for human editors. Until Squidoo is willing to pay for editors to review lenses prior to publication, I believe that low quality lenses will continue to be uploaded and featured. It is far more cost-effective to pay a few editors than to suffer the consequences of the damage poor quality content inflicts on a website – not to mention the time involved in dealing with content abuse reports.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AtomicGirl AtomicGirl

      +1! It really *is* time to start hiring some human editors, especially for those categories that tends to bring out the bottom feeders who will post about the “best” cameras, computers, and TV sets yet apparently don’t know a thing about the products they’re trying to sell.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SerraBlogs SerraBlogs

      HubPages already does that – through mTurk. It’s really awful. If Squidoo were to try something like that, I’d hope they wouldn’t do ANYTHING like HP does.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Morgannafay Morgannafay

        I’ve worked for those on turk. a bit off topic sorry, but I took my time working those jobs, checked for grammar, went through the article with a fine tooth comb! They took my qualification away and denied me a bonus because their committee didn’t agree when I rated an article using their guidelines a 9, in one of three categories 2 being subjective as all get out. I mean why pay people to do something they already did themselves! . They recently gave my qualification back, when they changed their strategy, (or ran out of workers, not sure which) but I’m not sure if I’m trying it again. lol Oh they pay a good bonus, but it’s all over the place! Sometimes I didn’t know how well I was doing, or badly until I saw what the bonus was. So sometimes the pay is not so good. I’m slow so it was never really good for me, I just wanted to like that job so bad!

        Anyhoo, since turk has editors and writers out the wazooo, Squidoo could benefit from it. Granted, a good non subjective guide line is only fair to both lensmasters and turk workers, since the nightmare of the hubpages thing, and a decent wage, which is the way to get the best, best turk workers. If you want the bogger heads to do a crumby job underpaying is a way to get the booger heads. And no one likes booger heads! Im gonna have to admit, I’d squeal with joy If I got to do a squidoo job hit LOL <3 Unless it was like hubs hits anyhow. then I would cry to the heavens.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SerraBlogs SerraBlogs

          I had my first $80 day on mturk working those HP hits. Like yours, my experience rating the hubs was beyond frustrating. I was careful, I was accurate, a have an understanding of what they’re trying to do. IMO, their HIT setup is so way wrong. Instead of a scale, they should have a [check] mark set of criteria that is objective and thorough. Do away with the bonus structure and pay people for their time up front. I apologize if you thought my feelings towards the HIT was for workers. I’ve done enough turking to know the community has the good and the bad – but the good outnumber the others.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Morgannafay Morgannafay

            Oh no, I never took any offense at all. If I came off like I did, I suppose some of the stuff with what’s going on with squids of late is really upsetting, and making me nervous.

            Gosh, the thought of an 80 dollar day makes me want to give those darn hits a try again! lol. I was really slow, that’s how determined I was to do well on those hits.

            I agree 100 percent though, especially the upfront do away with the bonus thing. It’s all over the place! And yes the good do outnumber the bad. Just like on Squidoo <3

            I still have yet to make my first 40 dollar day lol. I'm tryin' :D You've been an inspiration to me this morning.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SerraBlogs SerraBlogs

            I don’t do the rating hubs hits anymore =( It was a kick in the gut every time my qual score went down.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/flowergardener flowergardener

    That ‘new tide’ of pages are NOT the only thing threatening Squidoo’s ability to stay online and prosper. Why are you now just “building the tools” to detect this? I ‘thought’ your filter was supposed to already detect this. If this is the 1st step of HQ cleaning house I applaud it. If this is the only step HQ has plans for, I’m very disappointed, because as you’ve seen with the showercurtain post, there are MANY other ways that affect squidoo’s reputation that lensmasters feel are in dire need to be addressed and cleaned up.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/flycatcher flycatcher

    I don’t like all of the aspects (i.e., no more transfers) any more than anyone else, but it’s clear that strong measures are called for. Do what you need to do, HQ. “The times, they are a-changin’,” as ever.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/belinda342 belinda342

    I have to admit that Squidoo is truly at a crossroads. When I joined Squidoo almost a year ago, I was so excited about the possibilities and the community that I found here. Things have changed in this past year…and most definitely not in a good way.

    While I hate the fact that HQ has put a ban on transferring lenses (because I know there are some honest lensmakers who earn a decent living making lenses for others), I do love the fact that Squidoo is finally starting to look at the actual quality (or lack thereof) of some of the accounts on this site.

    Here is hoping that your newest tools will be put in place soon and be able to keep our quality at an acceptable level. And here is also hoping that you have some tools in the works to help keep the cheats from gaming the lensrank as is now happening too.

    But, hey, at least it’s a start. I have to admit, I’d almost given up on Squidoo…much as it pains me to say that. And I really don’t think I was alone, either…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/britflorida britflorida

    Bonnie, this is brilliant and makes me very happy. I’ve only been writing here since January but I’m completely addicted and love it. My only problem has been that of quality control. Every day, my husband and I sit here trying to make a freelance living and every day. I mutter to him about the low quality of some high ranking lenses. And I’m always finding great lenses from dedicated lensmasters that are being pushed to the bottom. I don’t understand why people below are getting upset about the transfer thing. I feel sure that if I wanted to transfer a lens for a sound and valid reason, and let HQ know, it would be OKed. I’ve also noticed that Squidoo’s reputation at the moment isn’t good. When I’ve mentioned that I write here to ex-colleagues from the internet world, I get disparaging remarks. This is a new beginning for Squidoo and a chance for it to get it’s good reputation back – I’m glad to be a part of it. Thank you so much!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Serenia Serenia

    One of the spun content areas that Squidoo MUST deal with and remove, are those lenses that have NOTHING but QUOTES. Quotes are Spun Content. They are both Spun content and duplicate content.

    It really irritates me when I get a lens locked for using ONE quote on a lens (being told that it is duplicate content) and yet there are tons and tons of lenses that are full of quotes, that have NO ORIGINAL content and are still on Squidoo, even years after they were first made.

    I dont care that they were made before the duplicate content rules were changed. It does not matter how long ago they were made – they need to be REMOVED – NOW!!! Otherwise you are playing FAVORITES!!! It is just NOT fair!!!!!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/thenumber73 thenumber73

    I agree with DaveStone13 on the problem of automation. Although, I am in full agreement with the steps being taken to remove “spun” content, I know that no system is faultless.

    Would hate to see any lenses get picked up in error by an automated detector and deleted without any option for human intervention. My suggestion would be to treat any lenses caught by this new content filter in the same way as those caught by the duplication filter, i.e. lock them first prior to deletion. This would mean that if a small number of “good” lenses are caught in error, there’s a chance to easily restore them following a manual review.

    (btw, tried posting this before as a reply to Dave’s comment, but didn’t seem to work, so posting as a new comment instead. Hopefully won’t suddenly show up 3 times!)

    • http://gilhildebrand.com/ Gil Hildebrand

      Exactly

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

      “Would hate to see any lenses get picked up in error by an automated
      detector and deleted without any option for human intervention.”

      For some people this happens already. They follow the process outlined by HQ, hear nothing and then watch as their lenses, that would pass a manual review but dont receive it, get deleted.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/InnovativeToys InnovativeToys

    I’ve bought several good starter lenses, built by legitimate lensmasters. I’m disappointed that turning off transfers is deemed the right solution.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/InterRev InterRev

    If turning off the ability to transfer lenses is necessary to maintain the integrity of the site and keep a strong publishing platform for us to use, then do what you gotta do. Keep Squidoo strong. We can all thank that bad apples for this.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nightcats nightcats

    I surely support the need to get rid of spun lenses, but I shudder to think about an automated system of detecting. Another content sharing site, which I will not name, does something similar and the results are horrible. I have had several perfectly innocent pages banned because the automation misunderstood something. At that point, I would have to submit a request for a human to read the material. This was time consuming and irritating. I eventually stopped using that resource because it was more trouble than it was worth. I hope Squidoo does not go that route.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/attitudeforlife attitudeforlife

    I don’t use spun content. Never have. But I Do use the transfer function to move lenses to my VAs so they can work on them in separate accounts from my main one as well as from each other so they don’t accidentally cross over on similar named ones. Once they’re done with what they do (I usually have them set up the technical stuff so that I can go in and add content and my own style), I transfer them back to my main account. Your lockdown just put about 20 of my lenses into lockdown on my VA accounts rather than my being able to republish them into my main one for comments, content addition and my personalization.

    I know you guys stay on top of spam type lenses for OUR sake, but I don’t think this one was thought through past them to where it could hurt people building legitimate lenses.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

      That could have happened to me too – got the last lens in a set of 12 back yesterday.

      This is going to hit a lot of people and many will be the good guys.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Well said. I currently have a client waiting for her lens. Is she going to have to wait 4 weeks to get it back? Let’s hope not! She builds beautiful lenses, then pays me to add content. Now I can’t even transfer her own lens back to her!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SmokeybonesJr SmokeybonesJr

    Still being pretty new to Squidoo but loving it, I don’t think I have the ability much less the time to do a SPUN Lens. So this is a good thing for me. I guess I will start my new Lens on our Gatlinburg TN Vacation :-)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/techmom techmom

    I, too, am really glad that Squidoo is taking action against spun content. I do hope that you reconsider the lens transferring ban, as there are reputable people who make good lenses and use that feature.

    Instead, I would hope that Squidoo will take some rules from a few other sites and add them here, such as a minimum word count, a probation period where the lenses must be hand approved before publishing, and a certain number of lenses created before features such as liking or transferring are unlocked. There are also places that require a minimum word count per Amazon module.

    I know that you are acting for the good of us all and I applaud that. But I hope that you do not get rid of some of the features that make Squidoo great to use because of abuse by unsavory folk.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Agree!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LiteraryMind LiteraryMind

    I am so happy to read this. I joined Squidoo a year and a half ago and have really tried to make unique lenses with high value content. When my lenses rank lower than established lensmasters with good quality, I am okay with it. They worked hard for a long time and full well deserve their positions. Lately, I have been noticing that my lenses rank way lower than these low content meaningless lenses that are either spamming or somehow gaming the system. Honestly, I was going to quit Squidoo but was waiting until Feb 7 as I understood Google was going to weed out low content websites. I didn’t see any change but I got a LOTD on Feb 6 and that encouraged me for awhile. Today, I decided to not contribute any more content to Squidoo and signed up with Zujava as it sounds as if they have more control over their site. Now, after reading this, maybe I will wait and see what happens. Thank you for trying.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Infohouse Infohouse

    I don’t mind spun content that’s been cleaned up. It’s the gibberish spun stuff that needs to be eliminated. I came across one such lens this morning.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/katiecolette katiecolette

    I don’t buy or sell lenses, but it was nice to have an option of transferring a lens to a different account, if I choose to have a separate account for a new niche. So it’s a little disappointing that Squidoo is taking the option away. But I understand that you have to crack down on those who are abusing Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Christene Christene

    Is there a way to turn off the ability to transfer lenses on a lensmaster by lensmaster basis? Certainly the majority aren’t abusing that privilege. Why not just stop the ones who are?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

      Because they just create new accounts. Making so Squidoo has to constantly put resources towards putting out new fires by the same people who just create a new account each time Squidoo bans them. It’s an endless cycle.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

        Oh so true!

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

        In which case turning the facility back on for trusted lensmasters would solve the problem for those who don’t spin. They are able to tell the difference between Angels and none Angels to give them the opportunity to bless, so I would have thought that adding the ability to transfer would nort be too difficult.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/poddys poddys

          I was just going to suggest the same AJ. Only open up certain capabilities to those who have proven themselves.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/the_zhiff the_zhiff

        They could make the option to transfer lenses available after reaching a certain level, like others have already suggested.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AmandaTWaH AmandaTWaH

    I hate spun content. I get that it needs to stop for the reputation of the site. Blocking transfers doesn’t do much to stop that. If you’re putting filters in place they should be able to catch the spun lenses BEFORE they are sold.

    On top of that, some prior notice would have been really helpful for the people that do create good lenses to sell. I’m sure there are others like me who were selling custom lenses. I now have clients who ordered custom lenses and I can’t deliver. That means giving out a big handful of refunds and we all know PayPal isn’t a fan of refunds. Even a few days notice ahead of time could have fixed that.

    There are also a lot of us who use more than one account to hold different niche lenses. There are reasons a lot of us depend on that function and some prior notice would have been really helpful.

    I do hope you change your mind rather than letting the spammers take something great away from the rest of Squidoo because there are more people using the function for good than bad.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

      I guess they didn’t give prior notice because they didn’t want to alert the spinner/scammers either. Too bad it hurts you and others like you with clients that were waiting for their lenses to be transferred to them. I’m sorry to hear about the headache this gives you in regards to refunds too. That sucks.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AmandaTWaH AmandaTWaH

        That’s true but there is only so much they can do in a few days and it’s likely they’ll keep making these spammy lenses either way. They just won’t be able to sell them.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

        I agree, sometimes giving too much notice isn’t good at all. I do know of many people that will be hurt by this, or at minimum inconvenienced. Heck, I already found a way around this whole thing, so I am quite sure the ones that are the targeted group here will also find that loophole.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

          Yep!

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/squidcrusher squidcrusher

          I have also noticed lots of worthless ad filled lenses .You can buy a lens on fiverr or have one written for 5.00 they write it in your name,and you post it yourself and pack in ads.I believe this may be one reason why squidoo is slipping

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ruthclark3 ruthclark3

      I agree, Amanda. You and another lensmaster that we both know and trust will be negatively affected.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Ener-G Ener-G

    Getting rid of spun content….yay!

    Getting rid of the ability to transfer lenses…not so yay. I’ve built my own lenses and I’ve bought several lenses when I didn’t have time to do all the work needed on a new lens. Then I went into the lenses and made them sound more like me.

    So I’m with Lisa….why not keep transfer lenses as one of the Giant’s perks? You know…prove you’re a decent lens maker without the desire to scam the system, then get encouragement to stay here…like being able to transfer lenses!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

      Only problem with this is some of the Giants and Angels were caught on fiverr selling likes, blessings, crap lenses, etc. So….just being a Giant won’t fix the problem.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      I don’t see how losing the ability to transfer lenses will prevent article spinning anyway. This seems like it’s just punishing those who don’t do 100% of their lenses themselves. Like others have said, there’s only so much time in a day, and some people need help building productive lenses. I can see not wanting a lens with all sales modules. Mix things up a bit…that makes sense and looks nice. But why stop lens transfers????

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/NausetViews NausetViews

    I understand your need for taking action to eliminate the people on Squidoo who are creating spun content. However, I don’t feel that eliminating the ability to transfer a lens will solve this problem at all. Instead, it will simply penalize the great lensmasters who sell lenses. These are honest, reputable sellers who produce quality lenses on behalf of clients.

    I hope that you’ll reconsider this decision and come up with a better way to address this problem. In the meantime, is there a way that you could “green light” the good lensmasters who need the ability to transfer lenses? Make them go through an approval process with you and once you identify them as honest lensmasters they are approved to transfer lenses? Just an idea.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/anaisfraiche anaisfraiche

    Please don’t remove the transfer lens feature. Squidoo has been a great platform for me to earn money to feed my family and sometimes I need to buy lenses (from reputable sellers) because my English is not so good and these sellers are selling lenses that fit my niches and they wrote about the topic better than I do. Please listen to our feedback and don’t remove it. Thanks!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

      You can still pay people to write the content for you…you will just need to have them send it to you via email or use something like free online collaboration tools… then copy and paste what they create into the lenses yourself. Its not as great as being able to transfer lenses, but there are ways for you to accomplish what you need to. Good luck.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Michey Michey

    Bonnie this is a great point of view, spun must be our of our experience here. Also I notice an increase of selling lenses and a neglect of lenses with a “story”. Sure we all want to sell, but we have to find a way of combining text/personal ideas or experiences with the selling modules.
    I also notice that selling lenses for a very, very narrow item tend to be lenses in which we have nothing to say! A lens for a large subject are more likely to generate text, opinions, little stories and so on. This is just my feeling.

    Since I start the group “rejuvenate old lenses…” I discover a ton of lenses at the bottom (around 300,000 or in red) which are very good lenses vs….
    I don’t think I have to say more then this. And I hope my words wouldn’t be interpreted as empty words or even criticism… they are from my experience and my conviction.
    Regards
    Michey

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/23squidoo 23squidoo

    I love the fact that Squidoo is doing its best to encourage quality content! I’ve been with Squidoo since just about the beginning, and appreciate all the hard work that’s gone into building it up.

    I don’t necessarily see how stopping lens transfers will help a lot, though. I’ve bought one or two lenses in the past several years, always adding additional content and my own spin on things. I’ve also given many lenses away and adopted others with no money exchange. It’s always great to give a lens away to a new owner who can devote time and love to it.

    With that thought in mind, will the lens “gifting” program still operate?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LNAngel LNAngel

    This is all interesting. In terms of transferring lenses, I’d like to be able to do so within the same overall account, as I like to start different niches. I think well-established, proven webmasters who sell should be allowed to as well. I’ll add my feedback to the other link posted below.

    What I’m most concerned about is the move towards “more of a personalized” style of writing. Most of my lenses fit that bill perfectly, however, before you potentially start locking lenses/accounts we need to see very clear examples of what is “right” vs. “wrong”. The example you posted yesterday was obvious in alot of ways, however, there is a very large gray area here.

    How do we learn what is now thew new, accepted normal? Will we get a warning before something is locked? Basically, how do we know when we pass muster? I’m not necessarily concerned with my own lenses but the community at large deserves an answer to these questions.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Morgannafay Morgannafay

      You just said what I was trying to say, but far better, and eek far more brief. sorry about the wall of text guys, I’ve been having a bad night. XD

      So what LNAngel said guys! That says it all!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      I totally agree!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/eileenhughes eileenhughes

    Keep up the good work and get rid of these sorts of people

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lakeerieartists lakeerieartists

    I am extremely glad to see that Squidoo is working hard to improve the quality of content on the site. However, I would suggest that we remove the ability to “like” lenses completely to remove one of the ways that people try to manipulate the system.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/flowergardener flowergardener

      Yes! A thousand times Yes! and while they’re at it…..remove the ability of Angels to REBLESS lenses!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/pkmcr pkmcr

      100% agree

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MelissaNRodgz MelissaNRodgz

      I’m glad squidoo is doing something to eliminate spun quality on the site. I really don’t understand why people are trying to manipulate the system as this will hurt Squidoo in the end.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Flynn_the_Cat Flynn_the_Cat

    I can see where this is a good stop gap, in some ways, especially if you can still request transfers.

    However: I can easily think of a workaround for the spun lens sales – simply create new accounts and sell those. It’s already done.

    I use lens transfers for trading old lenses and for setting people up with their first lens (yes, there’s the gift option, but first timers usually have problems even accepting it, and I usually want to get it published and edit it based on the final appearance). Also for moving between my own accounts.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vallain vallain

      I’ve gotten quite a few lensmasters started by giving them a first lens to tempt them into starting here. NancyCarol is one.

      I sure hate to lose the ability to transfer a lens.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/goldenecho goldenecho

    This bums me out because my son made a lens under my account (with my
    help and supervision) and I had planned to transfer it to him some day
    when he got old enough to have his own account. That and I had one
    really good lens about teaching linkies that I had planned to gift to a
    teacher (since I thought they could update it better than I could). Though I understand the need to do this I wish they had given us a warning…I would have gotten on that last one ASAP! And it also kills my ideas on some collaborative lenses (sort of a take this lens, improve it, pass it on for charity idea–oh well). It would be nice if there was another way to “share” lenses…like if multiple squids could edit the same lens and split the earnings.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Gosupress Gosupress

    I’m THRILLED about this. Great that you are stepping up to attack spinners although I had no idea they were such a force! The lens transfer thing is unfortunate but from your statements I infer it’s a temporary state. Thankyou HQ!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/flycatcher flycatcher

      Agreed.

      In fact, I am so thrilled about this development, I’m just now in the process of deleting about 100+ lenses from a very old account that was given to me to bring up to new dupe-content standards.

      No way I’ll have time to rehab all those lenses now – I’d looked on it as a 1-year project, maybe longer (figured it was OK since most had fallen into WIP)… but now they must be deleted instead of fixed up, as I don’t want to risk the whole account getting locked.

      And I’m 100% good with that. Same rules for everyone, quality across the board, and ‘good intentions’ or ‘established lensmaster’ be hanged.

      This is tough medicine to swallow, but I am convinced HQ is on the right track.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vallain vallain

        I would think your WIP lenses are safe while you rehab them. I wouldn’t do anything drastic in deleting old lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lenskeeper Lenskeeper

    You are equating lenses made from someone else with garbage lenses, which is often not the case. Many times, very reputable lensmasters make lenses and then transfer them to another party. I could make a bunch of garbage lenses myself if I wanted to do that. I wouldn’t need to get my awful lenses from someone else through a transfer.

    Please restore the ability to transfer lenses. You are punishing some of the best people in an effort to keep the lenses up to par, which is the opposite of your stated purpose. Cutting off the ability to transfer is not the way to solve the problem.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Exactly! What does spun content and garbage lenses have to do with transfers. Big Boo from me!!! “Boo!!!”

  • skiesgreen

    Having read some of the replies below I concur with most of them. Never having bought a lens off anyone this does not come into my way of doing things but I can see that many others enjoy this form of exchange. It is also obvious to me that many squids are leaving or have left Squidoo because they are not satisfied with recent changes and I think this decision is one that might upset even more. They are missed because they were making a good contribution here. You can hear from some of the responses below that it is not a favorable decision.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/squidoopets squidoopets

    Happy to hear – this will help lensmasters get more serious not only about writing quality content but about seeking out and keeping quality at the forefront.

  • http://www.EarningFreeMoney.com/ Louida M

    Thanks for cracking down on these spammers Squidoo. I remember finding my top lens spunned and it really made me upset because I’ve worked so hard on my articles just for some loser to steal my stuff. But as for transfers, I’ve never used this feature and won’t be affected by it but I really think that feature should be only used by Giants Squid that has proven themselves here on Squidoo.

    But I’ve noticed my articles are getting a bit of a hit with traffic and now I’m seeing why due to spammers. I use Squidoo to help provide for my family like many others and I really don’t want Squidoo to get penalized by Google which will hurt everyone as a whole but it’s great to see that Squidoo is on the look out for all of us and I hope the mess gets cleaned up soon.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/floppypoppygifts floppypoppygifts

    Wow, I didn’t know that’s what that was called. I guess the old ways of writing online are falling away. Heads Up! Changing of the guard! Cheers~cb

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DreamsInBloom DreamsInBloom

    Does the “gift” a lens still work?

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SophieOlson SophieOlson

    I am new here, and am flabbergasted at these comments..I never knew so many people hired others to write for them, or bought other lens pre written. I know I need to write more personal content, or I will not be successful. However, it’s not that easy and people need to be given a chance to improve. Simply removing all the ones who don’t yet know what they are doing and just allowing the high ranking “pro’s” would make Squidoo a “club” and very exclusive, I am afraid. I don’t know the solution, but wholesale deleting of new accounts will also remove alot of sincere people who are trying to succeed in an already difficult field…making money online. I hope something fair will solve this for everyone.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/peterduck peterduck

      Yeah, I only joined in late January and I’m having a real education with this post and one last night about ‘showercurtains’. It’s been rather distressing as I am spending all my free time trying to write good copy and producing great articles, plus learning how to attact traffic so my lenses do not fall back into WIP. Because it seems if you do all the right things, but don’t get the traffic, your lenses drop out anyway. Meanwhile, I’ve seen plenty of things just selling loads, or with lots of text but it’s all scrambled and non English, even on the home page.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/glen-kowalski-7 glen-kowalski-7

    It seems a lot of people want to be able to transfer lenses. Why not set up an approval board (anonymous and rotating membership) to review a lens transfer? Similar to Professional sports teams that have to submit a trade request to the league and have it approved? This would eliminate the ‘template’ issue, since each transfer would be reviewed. Rotating membership and keeping members anonymous will prevent fraud, or someone gaining too much influence.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/grammieo grammieo

    Way to go Squidoo, especially for those of us who do take the time to put our personal view on things. It takes a lot of heart and baring of one’s soul at times to make a good or great lens! (((((((hugs))))))on this !

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/grammieo grammieo

    Obviously I know nothing about transferring lenses to others and have never done this, Am I missing out on opportunities to make Squidoo profitable? A newbie giant squid!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/FledglingStudio_com FledglingStudio_com

    Getting rid of the lenses filled with spun content: Good idea!
    Eliminating the ability to transfer lenses: Not so much.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/moxy_blue moxy_blue

    Oh, wow.. those boogers, abusing the ‘transfer’ affects the whole community, including those people with good intention to use the ‘transfer’ feature. That’s really bad, I have few good quality contents transferred for proofreading, and now.. what will i do? That is not really good…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/drcarl drcarl

    I think it’s a sad statement that we even know what “spin” means….but wait! I suspect that has a teeny bit different meaning from the “spun” you’re using…both are sad…I suppose that’s easy for me to say having just written my first lens. My challenge was not writing a book! Be well, ~drcarl

  • elynmac

    I think the idea of cracking down on spammers and spun content is so smart. Exactly how to do it isn’t clear to me. And it seems that a lot of people like to transfer lenses. If you ever need a volunteer to review new lenses, I would be glad to offer an hour a week. Perhaps others would too? Anyway – right on! Spammers and spinners are worth policing.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/moxy_blue moxy_blue

    And I wish you let us informed, at least few hours before turning the ‘transfer feature’ off.. I think telling us a few hours will not really affect the busting of the spun works from those people. We deserve to know it.. There are a lot of people who are using that feature in good ways, and now what will we do? (move to other websites as well?) I wish you’ll reconsider your decision.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KarateKatGraphics KarateKatGraphics

    I don’t have the tech knowledge to understand how/if this measure will help our community here with the quality issue, but I guess we have to trust it will. One quality-boosting suggestion — and I don’t know exactly how you’d implement or measure this — would be quests, challenges & contests that focus on improving existing lenses (whether through adding more personal content, rooting out dead links & out of stock products, or both) rather than quickly creating new ones. I can’t participate in the Imminent challenge ’cause I’m really trying to give some TLC to long-neglected lenses this year. Would love to see some incentives for improving our oldies & underperfomers. It can be tough to stay motivated on this, especially with a large lens portfolio.

  • Papiers

    Thank You!!! Most of the lenses I have come across lately have been garbage. I’m so relieved that you are tackling the problem. Good going.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Betsi_Goutal Betsi_Goutal

    My main concern is that the filter will be overzealous. I’ve been a lensmaster for four years now, and sometimes I have lenses that don’t have much to *say* because mostly they have something to *show* – coloring pages being the obvious example. And I worry a bit that there are times when the line between being keyword-optimized and spun content isn’t crystal clear. Will my lenses that are heavily keyworded be safe? I would hate to take down half my lenses just for fear of losing my whole account due to an overzealous filter.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KonaGirl KonaGirl

    Leave it to the unscrupulous to ruin it for the rest of us. I am glad Squidoo is seeking out these spun content lenses, but I hate being punished for the sins of others. I spend a lot of time creating a lens and am able to make a decent living creating lenses for clients and selling others I have created for myself. They are not template lens. Each one I have made is unique. A friend of mine has decided to try his hand at creating lenses. He was planning to start this weekend. I was going to give him a few of mine to help him get started. I also had another one sold. Now I will have to call my friend and take back my offer of help with the transfers, and refund the money for the sale of the other lens. This is a real set back for me. Wha-a-a!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

    Well this is one heck of a how do you do! I just published a lens today that needs more work, and should have been started in my other account, but wasn’t. I was signed in to my KathyMcGraw account when I clicked create, so just built it there and figured I’d transfer it tonight when I got home.

    LOL, nope, I just got home and see there are no more transfers :) I was trying to buy 2 lenses from someone so this sucks. On the other hand I am glad to see something real done to help clean up the mess of crummy lenses we have.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Ruthi Ruthi

    I must say I appreciate what a nightmare all aspects of running the Squidoo platform must be and I appreciate everything those of you behind the scenes are always busy doing. I must also say I feel for those honest lensmasters trying to make additional income writing here, and yes even making and selling lenses. I hope that everything works out for the best for all concerned with these abrupt changes. And, I will, of course hold my breath and hope none of my lenses are deleted. I am a slow learner but have done my best to keep my work here on Squidoo passionate and personal, even when it’s a so-called sales lens.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aceofhearts aceofhearts

    I am so happy to hear this! I have personally found my own lens regurgitated right here on squidoo and getting higher ratings than the original one I wrote. (Due to keyword spamming) It is frustrating. There is one lady who has 456 lens and they are mostly all spun articles and some are my own. I don’t think limiting people to 100 lens helps in that case. We need to patrol content within the community as members who see it.

    This is really good news for the true writer and original authors. I don’t think minimum content is going to stop violators either. Perhaps there could be a way to report questionable lens for further examination? I have turned over two lens to newbies to help get them started, so I don’t like the blocking transfers idea either, but I am willing to go along with what ever needs to be done to curb the abuse.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/JoeCinocca JoeCinocca

    Why do you promote “thin” sales lenses on the home page then? There are dozens of low-quality lenses that have been on the home page as a major feature for several months now. HQ has endorsed the sales lens culture and have completely ignored the real problem. LENSRANK is jacked up! The way you calculate the rankings needs a radical overhaul. You’ve just crushed several great lensmasters who rely on the sales of their lenses for income.

    Blessings/Likes vs. Lenses that actually bring in external traffic. Seems like HQ would want to reward folks for writing content that, oh I don’t know…..actually ATTRACTS new potential customers?

    Guess I’ll have to remove all of the squidutils/squidtools boxes from my lenses, once I figure out how to work this new amazon module. I couldn’t fix any of my over-affiliated lenses if I wanted to, at the moment, due to all of the glitches.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Isabellas-cabin Isabellas-cabin

      Joe I could not agree more. I found one lenses that was outranking my lens on the same item to be outranking it in Google and Squidoo. The funny part is the lens which was outranking mine contained an intro paragraph, a YouTube video, then it was stocked full of Amazon modules with the keywords in the title. Then five products, then some more Amazon modules. It was full of sales items.

      The other thing is I have seen these same lenses which you are speaking of being promoted on the front page as well because they ranked highly in the search engines. It was so frustrating to me because I read the article and it was obviously spun because the grammar was terrible and the article made no sense. I think it went something like the insert product name is good because it provides cooking experiment time. Hopefully this type of cracking down can help reduce this type of typing because I know it really brings down my experience as a user and upsets me to see my hand crafted lenses ranking lowly because they are outranked by the senseless articles which have no real meaning to them.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PaulOnBooks PaulOnBooks

      Why do people Google +1 these lenses?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Stazjia Stazjia

      This is so true. I think HQ should give lenses they promote on the front page and those they award Purple Stars a proper look. Some I’ve seen are terrible and just a lot of sales links with hardly any real original content. This can be seen at a glance. Then there have been the embarrassing LOTDs which have been reported as containing duplicate content once more people saw them.

      I’ve only ever bought three lenses and sold about the same number. I’ve given a few away that I didn’t want to keep updated so this transfer ban really doesn’t affect me. I don’t think it will stop the spinners and others gaming the system. I think there are more effective ways of improving Squidoo’s content. One of them is taking reports of abuse seriously even when it means deleting lenses of high profile LMs.

      Squidoo has to do something because it looks like Google has given it a bit of slap and a lot of us have seen falling traffic numbers.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Exactly!!!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nasph nasph

    I suppose the 4 weeks to look over the data and people’s comments will give you some encouragement to re-instated this. But, how about you put into the system that lenses of a certain age can be transferred out, or, as others have said, a certain level of giant squid can transfer (although I’m guessing some of the people who are selling these lenses are already squidangels, as I’ve seen a few, so I’m not sure how this would help).

    I think squidoo needs to crack down on other aspects: I’ve seen so many thin lenses recently, whether it’s someone on the squid forum complaining that they’ve had lenses locked because they copied the descriptions from Amazon (a real tool, but he has around 1,000 lenses), or looking at other lensmasters who are giant squids (usually with more than 200 lenses as well) and seeing that on a lot of their lenses they’ve written two small paragraphs in the introduction and then just added modules that cause clickouts (Amazon, ebay etc). These are what Squidoo needs to combat: thin lenses with thin content that gives nothing to the reader apart from a link to go and buy a product from Amazon (I’m pretty sure this against the squiddon’t policy too [having 'doorway pages' is against Google's terms too, hint, hint], yet it’s rife across the platform) Also, as others have mentioned, there are a boat load of article type lenses that are used primarily to boost external domain ranking, but I think this will continue to happen no matter what Squidoo does..
    I think the above began when squidoo removed the ‘add three text modules with content’ to your lens and then ‘add an Amazon module for it to become 100%’. I know squidoo is here to make money, but it seems to me that you’re not spending more of that increased revenue to police the site more and protect your future investment so that you don’t go the same way as hubpages, which seems inevitable at late.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/servantoftheLord servantoftheLord

    I am so, so glad you all are doing this. I have run across so many lenses lately that don’t make any sense or seem to be written in broken English because they are so chock full of keywords. It absolutely makes me sick when I think of all the hours and heart I have put into some of my lenses, then I see lenses that are incoherent. It cheapens Squidoo. Lately, though, Squidoo has provided way too many examples of what is wrong with the internet. The grammar, the puntuation, or lack thereof . . . I ask myself, “Has our culture and language deteriorated SO much that spinners can publish a cheap, poorly-written lens with 30 Amazon modules side by side with an English Lit 201 style book review that I have written? (And be ranked higher.)” Again, you are doing what needs to be done. I know you all will use wisdom and caution and go lens-by-lens to make the call. I have always been a one-woman show and have not engaged in any type of transfer of lenses, so that doesn’t affect me at this point, but I feel for those (who are above board) who it does affect. I hope you all are very thoughtful about deleting entire accounts. I trust your good judgment. And deleting lenses that are grossly promotional and don’t make any sense is an idea I completely support. Go, team!! Thank you so much for your dedication and hard work to keep this community as amazing and productive as it is.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MyChoice2You MyChoice2You

    Spun content is the worst evil ever and whoever uses it should be banned from Squidoo for ever! Why use someone else’s brains to create content, if you can’t write do something else sell cars or fix cars, but if one has something to say, write it in your own words and I am sure there are many capable writers who will guide you.

    Using ghost writers due to a lack of time cannot and should not be punished as the ghost writer still reproduce your thoughts.

    In writhing you develop your own unique style using spun content certainly rob you of that privilege.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Deadicated Deadicated

    Happy to hear this, I’ve been getting turned off to Squidoo because all I’m seeing lately is people trying to sell you stuff and I think it cheapens the brand. I love Squidoo and hate to see this happen so I applaud this latest effort to get rid of the dunderheads.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dbodnariuc dbodnariuc

    Yay for spun content filters!
    The lens transferring ban is not so good. I am actively using it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/famook famook

    I make lenses for a few people to earn some extra money. I charge a fee for 100% original content and have made it clear that spun content does not fly here.
    With that said, stopping lens transfers will in no way stop the spun content. All that will happen is people will find a way around it by either creating new accounts or something else. A good filter would be great but, punishing the people who deliver good content and make money creating lenses for others will probably only give you more garbage content. Your legit creatures will not be able to make lenses for others in the market and they may turn to a more shady option.

    Work on those filters but don’t take away our transfers, pleeeease!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/migreig migreig

    I think that this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully in the future squidoo will find a more direct way to get rid of spam lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Deborah-Diane Deborah-Diane

    I am thrilled that you are aggressively taking steps to eliminate spun content from your site. The higher the standard of quality at this site, the better all of us will do.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/EditorDave EditorDave

    Hmm. I got into Squidoo by accident back in 2007. I was unemployed at the time, and was exploring how to find a *community* of folks who loved to share their OWN photos and their OWN stories … and Squidoo was perfect for that. EVERY ONE of my lenses is something that I *DID* myself. Yeah, I’m sort of a clunky guy — I’ve never learned how to make the *pretty* lenses that have all the bells and whistles of CSS and lots of HTML code. I know a little code, but *design* isn’t my thing. That’s why I like Squidoo with all the modules. I wish that Squidoo would make the *default* settings on the lenses such that spammers couldn’t scam them. Such as turning *off* some of the things that scammers use to sneak their stuff into our lenses — adding their own stuff to our plexos, sneaking HTML code into their comments, and so on. Ah well. I’m happy that you are *policing* the ranks — and I’ll continue to create more lenses that are an outlet for my stories. ;-)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Titia Titia

    Ok I filled in the wufoo form https://squidoo.wufoo.com/form…which should have been in the text above in my opinion. Turning off the Transfer feature would be Squidoo’s Masterpiece of mistakes. It won’t keep the bad guys away and I think it will result in an exit of quality lensmasters in the long run. Squidoo should start listen more to and should acting faster on reported abuse of the system.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LindaJM LindaJM

    I wish we’d had some time to prepare for this. I will miss being able to transfer lenses from one account to another. I am really not ready… and feeling some loss here. Well, we will just have to adjust. Thanks for doing all that you do to improve Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CherylFay CherylFay

    I have never used the transfer or buy lens. I would rather just make my own lens even if they sound silly or quirky; even out of place. At least they are made by me. I am versatility in my topics. Each person is unique and we should show that. Cracking down on such spun content is good.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AstroGremlin AstroGremlin

    I’ve seen some really poorly written lenses with high ranks. Not necessarily spun, but not English. A bit of badly worded intro and then huge lists of products. Perhaps these make money?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/invisibled invisibled

    Hey Squidoo Admins,
    how about we find a grammar API or something that would check the quality of the lens before it is live? I’m sure the spun content will have a lot of grammatical mistakes and it that would trigger that red flag. :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KittySmith KittySmith

    I will be happy to see the lenses that are using these tactics cleaned out. But I am dismayed to have several of my previously published lenses that have been well made and even part of the Rocket Squid Training Unpublished. My http://www.squidoo.com/dog-clothes-5-reasons-they-might-be-a-good-idea lens was very popular at one point and is a 100% lens. Yet it is unpublished now and I can’t republish it. I had another that was a saddlebag review for motorcycle accessories with photos and illustrations I had done, also unpublished. My Beach Bocce Ball lens was a challenge lens, the first time I tried writing this lens it was locked, and that was like a blow to the gut. I NEVER want that to happen again! But my new from the ground up lens was great and now that is languishing unpublished. My lens titled We Are Not Alone contains several very personal encounters with the spirit world – unpublished. My Green lens is unpublished, this is a topic I am PASSIONATE about – unpublished.

    I thought if I did some additions and editing, I might be able to republish, but that does not work either. I have tried to contact higher ups 3 times to get an answer to this puzzling situation. I strive to put out high quality content. I avoid “clothesline” Amazon pages (term learned from one of the Giant Squid angels) I don’t know how to take this.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/debtfreeguy debtfreeguy

    Thanks Bonnie for another set of educative lens sampling. I think it is a great thing to have some kind of control over lens transfer. I am aware that you have a lot of lensmasters that make money from that and may be honest with what they do.

    However, it may be too expensive to control transfers and what you have done may be the best way to go in maintaining site integrity. If we lose what we have now, then there is no platform to even sell lenses on. I am sure cool heads will prevail in the end.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Morgannafay Morgannafay

    I have too many thoughts on this to write about it all. I still consider myself a noob though, and I’m just trying to do the best in this ocean. Now, I haven’t bought, or sold a lens yet, never planned to sell but was wondering many times if it would be worth it to buy given my crumby amount of time. So I’ll leave the opinions on this to those more qualified to give it. I know what comes next is not the topic right now, but I’m not much of a talker off or online, so if I’m gonna say what I’m gonna say, I gotta do it now.

    I hate the bad lenses as much as the next guy, really, I don’t like to pass that kind of judgment since it’s subjective and for all I know my lenses suck (I’m really trying hard to figure out what makes a good lens one year and a half later). Rather I hate the bad lenses get in tier one, or two. But for me sometimes it’s not even about if the lens is good or bad, but how it got there in the top tier. That to me is another problem altogether, but very much apart of the bigger picture.

    I normally like to keep my head down and my nose clean, especially since I’m staking a lot into this squidoo venture. Why, just tonight I was criticized by a member of my family once again on how foolish I am, not just with squidoo but even my life aspirations yay! I don’t normally put stock into naysayers, or people that don’t have my best interests at heart, but for what ever reason, November, the shower curtain post, this post…Yall are making me nervous! D: I…don’t even know what keyword stuffing is. I worry about it though because my vocabulary stinks. Also, when I read Seth’s blog a year ago, trying to learn. He said to just type how you talk. Well I don’t talk much, and I have a foul mouth. XD the odds are against me and I worry about my lenses when I hear the words, “automated” eewwwww.

    Since this is a family aside from all the problems there’s to deal with in the cross roads. Open communication. Which, heh, is better than family since we all know most actual family’s have a total break down in this area. Why are we here at this cross road? What’s going on here? Granted, one persons spam is another person trying to make a living to regain independence from a crumby lay off and deep depression. And then there’s real spam, Buy my snake oil now, it’ll clean you out good! I think I just need more to go on with this one, because I am trying to sell things on squidoo too, like most of my brethren here, so, I’m also hoping on it for the future.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kindoak kindoak

    I am happy that HQ is on the war path and taking measures to improve the platform. Turning the transfers off for a while and measuring the effects sounds like a good idea. Spun, thin content hurts Squidoo in Google’s eyes and we are all dependent on our lenses ranking in the serps. So thumbs up from me.

    I am sure the statistical info will point out the offenders. What to do later will be a difficult decision for HQ. I suggest allowing transfers for lensmasters over a certain level. Another idea is for HQ to be able to terminate transfer rights on accounts that abuse the function. I have sent in some more suggestions.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LadyDuck LadyDuck

    I agree Squidoo must encourage people to write good lenses.”Spun content” is really bad and in the long run may damage all the Squidoo serious writers. May be you can consider to ban transfer of lenses for a temporary period, the time to get cleared of bad lenses and reintroduce it later.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jitmone jitmone

    I think as a community we can help squidoo by spotting sites like these and either reporting them or posting them on forums to get it looked over by other people just to make sure it’s following regulation. Some people might be writing lenses and not follow rules without even knowing it, so they should be warned. I would hate to see all the worked put in go to waste.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

    I doubt spun content is a new threat. It’s nothing new. Sure it’s bad and useless, but it’s not new on squidoo and when reported it should be dealt with swiftly. I wish someone would have drop the link before about a very well thought article on the current squidoo traffic problems (google slpa?): By GREEKGEEK and a must read
    piece:
    http://greekgeek.mythphile.com/2013/02/squidoo-thin-content/

    Maybe we could stop chasing windmills and have a look at what she has to say (and it all make sense by the way, as usual)

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      I totally agree with you, and everyone should read this article!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/asphyxia asphyxia

      Agreed. GreekGeek’s article offers a lot of thoughtful insight.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/sallemange sallemange

      Excellent article that explains a great deal

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/farhanahmedsyed farhanahmedsyed

    I think the Giant Squid idea is great. Only giant squids should have the ability to transfer lenses but to ban the transfer completely would affect a lot of squids.
    And, there are other ways to tackle spun content, I mean Ezine and Hubpages did that successfully.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aesta1 aesta1

    Really a good move.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

    What makes me angry at this is that I have been a long time reporter of crap lenses (dup/stolen/spun content) with usually very little success. And now, you turn and say let’s penalize everyone over something that could have been dealt with long ago. I really fail to see how stopping lens transfer will stop gamers and cheaters from abusing squidoo.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

      As for taking down lenses that have spun content…ok but let’s hope your automated detection will be good because seriously I would hate to be taken down because of a computer program error, while lenses I take time reporting for OBVIOUS violations still gets tiers one and two money.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

        Filters scare the heck out of me.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      It won’t! I agree, Nathalie!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

    Another question/comment (sorry I am on a roll): what should I do with my “thin” content lenses that do regular sales through amazon modules (meaning they do make you money as well): should I move them elsewhere? I do have a few of them, although I always try to add some content. this is especially true for some of my jewelry lenses that are very niche and curated.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

      Yes, I had $250 worth of sales through just such a lens last week and it was via an Amazon Module. Has HQ done any research and analysis about how much income the site will lose if such lenses are taken down?

      If we are given sufficient notice that these lenses may need more content, then fair enough – when X rated lenses were done away with, members got at least 3 months notice, so I would hope that HQ will manage this change (if it is to happen) in the same way

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Yes, Squidoo is biting themselves in the butt by doing this! I just can’t wrap my mind around the fact as to why they want to hurt themselves and us!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bloomingrose bloomingrose

      Exactly. I wonder if the real issue here is that so many people are using their own Amazon links rather than participating in the Squidoo/Amazon modules. If that is the situation and Squidoo does not like it – I wish they would be more genuine and just tell us to use the modules. I am adding more Squidoo/Amazon modules just to be sure. And I wonder, honestly: when you go to a page to buy – how much content do you need? If I want a dress, I am going to look at the dress, read a little about the color, fabric and price and decide if I want it. Although learning about the history of dresses or a personal story about how the lensmaster once wore a dress is interesting, I don’t necessarily need it for my buying decisions.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/irminia irminia

    I appreciate this explanation immensly. I guess a lot of “collateral damage” will be done, too, but I hope that with time the terms and condition can relax.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/poddys poddys

    While I detest spun content etc, there are quite a number of lensmasters who have niche accounts, who transfer lenses between these as necessary to keep their content focused and high quality. There are also a number of lensmasters who create quality lenses with the intention of selling them, and this is a key part of their online income.

    It seems that yet again the good guys are being penalised because of the wrongdoings of others, albeit a growing number of spinners and other abusers.

    Along with this we also have the problem of people artificially generating traffic and raising their lensrank through the use of scripts and “Liking groups” etc. Take away the power of Liking (or Pinning) as regards lensrank, and let lenses rank based on their own merits. That will force people to generate quality lenses.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/aj2008 aj2008

      I could not agree more. Too many good guys have just had their income (on which many of them are dependent) wiped out.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

        Yes, and it’s sad that a place like Squidoo, which I love, has done this to us. I’m heartbroken and confused!

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/teaperspective teaperspective

          That’s the risk one takes when their income depends on somebody else’s platform. Perhaps those in peril could considering self-hosted sites, or building niche websites as a service rather than Squidoo, which might not be the ideal platform that that (Or, in light of this update, certainly isn’t…)

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dbodnariuc dbodnariuc

            Your content doesn’t stand a chance to be noticed without a powerful platform like Squidoo. That’s a fact.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

            Pretty much the truth unless you have a ton of followers all over the web.

          • http://www.sakshiinfoway.com/ sakshi

            i agree till you don’t have followers it want work.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bohemianstorytellingtours bohemianstorytellingtours

            Squidoo is only as powerful as its participants. If its participants are no longer satisfied, they will move on.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/GaitekMedia GaitekMedia

            Bingo!

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/VineetBhandari VineetBhandari

            I totally agree with you, Lens Transfer should be active because this helps us to organize our niche accounts. Moreover I feel that we should help squidoo team to identify the lenses which we think are spun contents by nominating the same (just like LOTD) But with proof of original content (link) this way we can discourage all the lensmaster for doing the same. We can name it as BLOTD (BLOCKED LENS OF THE DAY) on the main page itself. i HOPE THIS WILL be good enough to force lensmaster to delete the lens on his own. LENSMASTER Because i think IT IS SQUIDOO WHO HAS MADE LENSES COMMERCIAL BY ADDING aMAZON mODULE COMPULSORY WHEN WE START A LENS ITSELF.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/secondhandrose secondhandrose

            I have to agree as well. I make very little money on my lenses, but I write because I enjoy it and need the practice.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/WolfWebMarketing WolfWebMarketing

            No, it’s not a fact. I’ve built literally HUNDREDS of niche sites for clients and see them ranking all over the place. I have a folder full of completed sites and go out checking them every once in awhile and most clients (mostly newbies) are doing very well on their own with their own sites. It’s not hard.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nikkinal nikkinal

            I agree with teaperspective. I already think there is too much commercialism on Squidoo. I would like to read meaningful lenses, not sales pitches.

          • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MarcelWhite MarcelWhite

            I’m with you. When I joined Squidoo it was easy to find interesting lenses to read. Later, it became so difficuld that I gave up.

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Joan4 Joan4

          heartbroken and confused here, too, Margaret. and in shock!

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Genjud Genjud

          I agree totally.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KathyMcGraw KathyMcGraw

        AJ even if the ban stayed in effect, I am positive that the honest sellers will find a way to continue their business, just as the dishonest will. We just need to calm down and move on. I too have to find a way to get the couple lenses I want, but I am sure there is a way :)

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Great idea!!!!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/thrivingmom thrivingmom

      I just got through transferring lenses around from 3 of my failed niche accounts. So glad I already got those transfers done before this change.

    • http://about.me/curioSEOty Chris

      Well, let’s head over to tumblr.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MTF-briguy MTF-briguy

    Interesting discussion being going on! How, is this for a suggestion…rather that disable feature (strap on your safety belt..this thought might shock you)…charge people to transfer lens but still maintain the right to close down accounts..

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/EMangl EMangl

    if you would have reacted to all reported lenses, people might know already that you care – but by digging the head in the sand you gave many the impression “everything goes”.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

      +1

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TheGirlWithTheRedShoes TheGirlWithTheRedShoes

    I totally agree to limit the spun content. I have seen so many lenses which are containing only links and selling modules. But maybe this new measures that you are taking are affecting good lenses also. I am unable to republish 5 of my lenses because of low content. I have send green light request and i haven’t received any answer. How can this lens be low quality? http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-raise-an-baby-cat, and how can this be spam?http://www.squidoo.com/what-to-visit-in-rhodes-island. I still hope that this is just a glitch because the lenses on which I worked the most are affected.

  • Guest

    Nice! I complaint about the fact that the good lenses are affected and the green light requests are receiving no answer and my comment was deleted. I hope the glitches and issues will be solved because I am really disappointed right now :(

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Flynn_the_Cat Flynn_the_Cat

      Not deleted. The Disqus comment system just gets glitchy when there are a lot of comments, and recent ones don’t always show properly.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/moonlitta moonlitta

    Closing and deleting accounts-this is serious! I’ve just backed up my top lens (and I will do too with my purple stars and all lenses I care about). Just a precaution knowing about suspended lenses of people harming the TOS in absolutely no way…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RiaB RiaB

    If this is going to penalize the lenses that are nothing but one paragraph and dozens of links… I am all for it! I have ran across so many lenses that are just link lists. These are lenses I cannot give a like or comment on. Might be a good idea to elect a set of lensmasters – giants and very active squids to keep an eye out for lenses that aren’t up to par. Maybe a grading system? If that lens got a few D’s or F’s then it gets locked? I dunno. Looks like you folks definitely have your hands full!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Val_Bonney Val_Bonney

    Like so many others here, I am delighted that something is finally going to be done about the many awful, low quality, “spun content” lenses that have nothing to say, but plenty to sell! I don’t understand very much about the technicalities of making lenses, but I do know that I love reading interesting and informative lenses by people who (like me) love the creativity of the work. It is frustrating and depressing, therefore, to say these terrible lenses in the top 100 lists and on the features page – I hope HQ’s intervention will stop that from happening.

    I don’t buy and sell lenses (wouldn’t know how … or why!) but I know good people – great lensmasters – who do, and this stance of disabling the feature seems very hard on them. There MUST be other ways around this, rather than a blanket ban on all sales and purchases of lenses. Think again, HQ … you CAN come up with a better solution, I know you can!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/pkmcr pkmcr

    I applaud any action which will result in the removal of spun content and poorly constructed lenses which do not meet the needs of the searcher/external visitors to the site. There is a wealth of content on the site both in terms of pure information/knowledge and in terms of curating products for potential buyers which far outstrips the presentation we see at Amazon.

    I understand the concerns of the many excellent lensmasters who create lenses for others who are either time poor or who want to develop a presence in a particular niche. I hope that some way will be found to support their work.

    I also hope that this transfer ban will not stop us creating niche accounts when we find that we have a number of lenses in a particular area and want to develop more and present them to the visitors in a coherent way.

    My whole Doctor Who niche account was initially developed from a couple of lenses and because it is a very focused niche I wanted to separate them off so that in effect when a visitor lands on the profile page (which is the link I actively promote) they are presented with many pages that may be of interest. If they landed on my main account profile page they may well not realise, even with interlinking, that there are 30 plus pages which could be of interest to them.

    I think more broadly the issue that needs to be addressed is how poor content can rise to the top on Squidoo. For me, key to this is addressing the meaningless updating that occurs where every lens in an account can be updated on a daily basis through some minor alteration; the endless round of Squidlikng and reciprocation of the same; the dispensing of Squid Angel blessings as if they were confetti at some over the top celebrity wedding and the reciprocation of the same. These lenses attract few if any external visitors and yet are handsomely rewarded through the Tier Payment structure because the focus on internal activity enables them to maintain high lensranks.

    Those tools which at one time were key to the development of community are now being used, or should that be abused, to maintain lenses in positions which their content and value to the external visitor does not merit.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MissMerFaery MissMerFaery

      I very much agree with Paul.

      Personally I don’t buy or sell lenses so the transfer option is not much of an issue for me – however I appreciate that it will hit many genuinely top notch lensmasters who buy and sell high quality lenses.

      However I don’t think that simply limiting the transfer option is going to solve the problem – people will cheat and game and spin content for as long as the lensrank system rewards them – and currently, in many cases, it does. I think there needs to be a big change to the algorithm to stop the recent spate of automated scripts/bots, like exchanges, empty updating etc that are pushing lenses to the top unfairly.

      No algorithm will ever be perfect – gamers and cheaters will always find a way around – but I do think that right now, the system could be made much fairer. I hope that HQ will look at this option going forward to tackle the above issue.

      All that said, I am delighted that HQ is going to be dealing with this issue – thank you! – and hope that the steps taken to do so will be successful – punishing the poor lenses and not inadvertently harming the good ones.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MissKeenReviewer MissKeenReviewer

        Very well said. I agree.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vBizeso vBizeso

        i agree with You

      • http://workwithmom.blogspot.com/ HAG

        I do agree what you say and hope good lensmasters don’t get hurt

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      I agree, Paul! Well said!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IsobelDeSantis IsobelDeSantis

      I completely agree with Paul, it’s not the transfers that are the problem. They’re the RESULT of the problem, which is the entire lens ranking system that allows crap content to get to Squidoo’s front page and into Tiers 1 and 2. If poor lenses couldn’t rank well through manipulation of lens rank, there wouldn’t be any incentive to build OR transfer them.

      Don’t penalise lens masters for an inherent problem in the system itself. Put Squidoo’s house in order first.

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/secondhandrose secondhandrose

        I’m agreeing with you Isobel. I am tooting my own horn when I say I write very good niche lenses, but not once have I seen one up there in the ranks. I have read lenses on the front page that are poorly written and the content is focused on selling.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/absolutelycreative absolutelycreative

    I can’t agree more with Bonnie.
    We need to keep our place clean and safe.
    If some one else going to put a food on their table there are million ways to do it (respect the rule).

    PLEASE, DO NOT destroy our community.

  • Guest

    Knee jerk reactions rarely end up being the right way to go and I think (hope) that banning the transfer of lenses is just a knee jerk reaction to this spamming problem. Hopefully when you have all had time to discuss/think this through a better alterative will be arrived at.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/smoothielover smoothielover

    Knee jerk reactions rarely end up being the right way to go and I think
    (hope) that banning the transfer of lenses is just a knee jerk reaction
    to this spamming/spinning problem. Hopefully when you have all had time to
    discuss/think this through a better alterative will be arrived at.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dingbat1932 dingbat1932

    Clients are not going to be happy with the non transfer of lenses to themselves. I don’t see how this helps solve the problems. This also stops lensmasters from buying lenses from legitimate high level squids that are trying to share some love and ideas.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dingbat1932 dingbat1932

    It’s up to the lensmasters to report spun content not Squidoo to penalise all lensmasters for the few that step over the line.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dingbat1932 dingbat1932

    Transferring lenses is necessary for customer lens building and buying lenses from quality lensmasters gives the newbie lensmaster a good start on how to use different aspects of Squidoo. Bad idea Squidoo.

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/the_zhiff the_zhiff

    I guess there is collateral damage. One of my new lenses was locked a day after it was published because of “duplicate content”. It was funny, because this lens was about travel advices which I – as a professional travel agent – give to clients and a few personal thoughts on the advantages and disadvantages of a long trip. Not a single line there was copied from another place. Oh, well…. Hopefully it is for good.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RenaissanceWoman2010 RenaissanceWoman2010

    As one who has never used spun content or keyword stuffing, and who never will, I appreciate safeguards that protect the reputation of Squidoo and its hardworking lensmasters.

  • http://cazort.net/ Alex Zorach

    Is this really going to help? I feel like there are deeper problems. I’ve gotten demoralized using the site. I’m a SquidAngel and I’ve found really disturbing things, like lenses that have been given a purple star, which consist solely of content duplicated elsewhere on the web. I’m not paid to review lenses as a SquidAngel, so why am I catching these abuse when the site’s editors who assign the purple star awards haven’t caught them? None of my lenses have ever gotten an editorial award. A lot of them are beautifully written and have received a ton of Squidlikes but are languishing really low down the ranking list because they are not sales lenses. I frankly have grown less interested in contributing to Squidoo. It’s not enough to keep out the spammers, you need to recognize your quality contributors. I have some lenses which I think are beautifully constructed and informative, which are languishing and I struggle to keep from becoming WIP.

    You want your site to be good? Examine everything about the site. Examine your ranking system. I think traffic and sales are rated too highly. As long as the ranking is based primarily on traffic and sales, then you’re going to have a problem with spammers. And spam isn’t just a spun article problem. I see lenses that are unique, written content but still look like spam to me.

    Right now I feel really demoralized using Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/vegival vegival

    Thanks. I think it is imperative to preserve the integrity of both the content and community of Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KateHon KateHon

    Short cuts never work, not in life nor in writing. Spun content is a short cut to supposed success, but true success can only happen with effort and determination. I’m sad that there are those who feel their fastest way to success is to use spun content, and that SquidooHQ has to take time to police it, but I guess that’s what happens when greed overtakes people.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ProvisionFL ProvisionFL

    Yes, so true Bonnie! I just began 2 weeks ago, on Squidoo, with creating lenses and I can’t believe people are using Squidoo for this kind of spun techniques! I continue what I am doing and love to do and that is making unique lenses…be creative and come with new things people never heard before..well..that is my goal in life :)) LOL Happy weekend everybody!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Ladymermaid Ladymermaid

    I am so very happy that Squidoo is taking the serious issues of abuse on the site under control. I will once again be happy to write articles here if I know that there is more effort being put into keeping Squidoo a website to be proud to be a part of. On the issue of transferring lenses I think there does need to be greater control in this area as much abuse exists on accounts with only purchased lenses. But then there should be the ability to gift transfer lenses to family members and friends as well. Thank you for the changed stance on the situation here at Squidoo. Many good writers were departing and that is not good.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/myno1star myno1star

    I’m new to Squidoo (joined about a month ago) and must say that it was the quality of the writing which prompted me to join. As a writer who takes immense pride in producing high quality, original content, I would only wish to be associated with an organization, site, etc., with comparable standards. It is unfortunate to discover that issues such as spun content, lens transfer, etc., are on the rise. This degrades the site, and will inevitably result in the ethical, honest writers, of which there are many, taking their words and thoughts elsewhere!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/knit1tat2 knit1tat2

    it’s too bad some make it harder for the many, I know it’s hard for the upper folks to decide what to do, but that comes with the territory. I wish us all the highest and best of sites, and I’ll do what I can to help with that.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/northerntrials northerntrials

    It just another case of a few ruining it for everyone but I agree with the method. Spun content in itself is aggravating I find I can write an article faster than I can spin one anyways. I have tried spinners before but the output never sounds like me.

    It’s a tool and lots of people don’t have the skills to use the tool. That doesn’t mean it is the tools fault. You should point the comment at “people who use spun content” and not “spun content” in itself.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/igorGriffiths igorGriffiths

    Having recently invested in a course that re-ignited my passion for manually creating lenses, it is a sad realization that many still think they are more clever than both SquidHQ and Google.

    The ultimate criteria for a lens and content that both SquidHQ and Google will love is simply, how useful is this content. If you are thinking what content then please either delete your Squidoo account or find a course on content marketing 2013.

    Keyword stuffing is a thing of the past, quality content on a specific topic that is result based is what action orientated content has and will always be about.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/peterduck peterduck

    I guess the reason for the ban, whether temporary or not, is that all the spammers would set up new accounts immediately and keep transferring their lenses around to avoid being picked up as a lens or even account to delete. So I can understand why it’s now by request only. I just hope the measures HQ put in place will weed out the rubbish and allow good lenses to rank well again.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SheilaSchnauzies SheilaSchnauzies

    Good for you, Squidoo!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/wendybrausch wendybrausch

    Can’t imagine you’ve got an easy road ahead – but certainly a worthy one. Squidoo is a trusted source and as such will abused by some people – anything you guys can do to help prevent that will be a huge benefit to squidoo.com and to all of us who write good/useful content

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CosmeticMom CosmeticMom

    To be honest, I have seen a big push to make more and more lenses and that doesn’t sit well with me.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ManfromModesto ManfromModesto

    Dear Squid Shoal Leaders: I hope you will devise another system other than “automatic deletion.” For example, I am working on a series of polls as part of a project to find popular concepts of symbols. The results will be a valuable tool for dream interpretation. I wanted to have the exact same text module of instructions on each one- for professional uniformity.

    The Squidnet blocked this. I deleted these, and rewrote each one. Spun? No. But, it is the exact same message: please vote in the polls, leave suggestions to build the list, etcetera.

    Please allow for writing like this in your new Squidnet. There are other writers who are also likely to have repeat format. For example, a movie review critic who explains her evaluation method in each article, for the benefit of first-time unique visitors to that article.
    That’s my two-tentacles.

    • Guest

      Unfortunately, Google will view that as duplicate content and will penalize the pages. That’s why it’s not allowed.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/linsm76 linsm76

    I have seen those spin article programs and actually tried one or 2 as experiment. To begin with, I have never seen even the worst written articles as bad as what these spinners do. I also timed 2 things which were how long it took for me to write my article, edit it, make corrections, etc. Then I did a rewrite and timed that from start to finish. Now the fun began when I timed the entire process of not only using one of these spinners, but also the time it took to read a jumbled up mess, and make all the corrections. If anybody is familiar with spinning programs they know what the results were of my little experiment. I could have written 3 articles in the time it took to use one of those spinners and then fix the mess it created.

    What is this transfer lens? Also, am seeing where people are selling lenses? Does anybody have a comment on the selling of lenses?

    I am new here.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TxCowboyDancer TxCowboyDancer

    Just a quick comment. “I would hate to see transfering of lenses be permanently disabled.” I like what some people have said… make it a select group, similar to the Giant Squids program. Where you can transfer lenses only after you’ve reached a certain level of participation or experience here on Squidoo.

    I haven’t begun to write lenses for others, however, it is one of the “things” that I’ve got on my “to do eventually” list. Once I get more experience under my belt and reach a point where I could honestly feel that I was selling a quality lens. As I’ve been migrating from “unemployed” to “self-employed” and become a full-time writer and dance instructor, I’ve discovered that it is going to take a lot of small streams of revenue to avoid being flung back into the 9-5 grind. I would really hate to see that potential source of revenue cut off before I even have a chance to get started. Sorry for the cliche, but it is perfect in this case. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Find some sort of middle ground.

    See ya on the dance floor!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rstaveley rstaveley

    I’ve never transferred lenses so can’t really comment on whether banning this would be a good thing or not, but I do agree with getting rid of spun content. I tried using a spinner once (not on Squidoo!) and the results were dreadful so I’ve never been tempted to do it again.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tembrooke tembrooke

    I am so, so happy to see Squidoo taking steps to weed out and remove junk lenses that are nothing but products and gibberish sentences. It’s been so depressing and discouraging to see lenses like these outranking ones with lots of original text and content that I’ve spent considerable time creating. I’ve also been increasingly concerned that Google will discredit all of Squidoo because of the proliferation of low-content lenses. I’m glad to see that HQ recognizes the problem and is working to find solutions.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Photahsiamirabel Photahsiamirabel

    While I am happy to see you clamp down on cheats and spun pages, I am more than a little unnerved at an automatic filter that will search for keyword rich pages and automatically lock an account. For those of us who started out naively handwriting content that never got found, then subsequently went back and spent months adding MORE keywords until our original content DID get found, I would be only happy with this if there was a warning on a lens OR an appeal process. Having hit “duplicate content filters” in the past because I wrote out a scale in note names I am VERY uneasy about ANYTHING automated!

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Me too!

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Photahsiamirabel Photahsiamirabel

        And having 248 lenses to check over for accidental keyword overuse is no picnic!

        • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/fanfreluche fanfreluche

          accidental keyword overuse! I love that expression. I think I am going to start using it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ravenko ravenko

    I don’t like spammy lenses anymore than the next person and don’t really understand how putting a stop to transferring lenses is going to help. I give away a lens to all new people that I have talked into becoming a lensmaster just to show that we are a great community of people (and yes I transfer the lens). There are some great lensmasters here that make lenses and sell to the rest of us that don’t have the time to make our own (I have bought a few) from a well policed Facebook group. It’s to bad that everyone has to be punished for the crime.

    I have lenses that still need to be updated from the last few big updates Squidoo implemented and I can’t ever seem to get to them either because my job outside the home is demanding or I’m pressured with all the quests sitting on my dashboard. There are times that I have 12 quests sitting there and that is very overwhelming, makes me feel pressured that I had better get to them instead of doing the major updating. It takes me a whole day to make and publish just one lens. If I could delete the quests that don’t interest me I wouldn’t have to feel this pressure and could do the updates that need to be done, I hope we’ll have some notice before our lenses or accounts are deleted.

    On that note I’d like to thank everyone at Squidoo for everything you do for us your job can’t be easy and I know I wouldn’t want to do it. I have to leave for work now myself so have yourselves a great day!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/gemjane gemjane

    Thank you for addressing this issue! I would much rather feel I was using my time well reading well-written lenses with CONTENT than junky text with way too many ads! I do not buy or sell lenses, but it looks like the way you are going about it is going to unfairly affect a number of good members. I hope you will consider some of the suggestions, including having a human being actually read anything destined for the homepage, as well as anything that might have questionable content and/or too many ads.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Cercis Cercis

    My two cents: we have at least three different problems here. 1) spun content; 2) poorly constructed lenses…esp. grammar, punctuation, and staying on topic; and transfering lenses. It takes me so darn long to write quality lenses that I abhor poorly constructed lenses and usually send a note to HQ about them – hopefully they are removed. Spun content is just abusing the system. This is done at many other web sites also. Best recourse here is take down the lens; look at overall work of the lensmaster and perhaps take down the whole account. However, people like this usually pop up under a new account. Transfering lenses seems to me to be a whole different ball of wax which needs a very careful look. An essential question is how does tranfering lenses tie in with the first two of my categories?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mbrownauthor mbrownauthor

      Exactly! It doesn’t!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/motown22 motown22

    Spun content has no meaning on Squidoo, as it is a people cultural exchange. Everyone must share points of view, exchange ideas, and build up lens he/she feels comfortable with. Sure, my English language is not perfect, being from Italy, but I always try to do my best with my lenses. Thanks to Squidoo and to all the people that participate daily in its growth!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Denmarkguy Denmarkguy

    As someone who loathes “spun content” and have long held a fear that it can be the cause of “user generated content” sites like Squidoo becoming downgraded to the status of “content farms” by Google and co, I totally applaud your efforts to get rid of the garbage. I just hope you allow yourself the time to be absolutely SURE that the new algorithms don’t result in “innocent victims” and “collateral damage” to lensmasters who should NOT have been affected.

    As for the ability to transfer or sell lenses, maybe that’s not the core of the issue– maybe the core is the process by which it is done. If those who wanted to transfer/sell things had to be “licensed brokers” to do so– and subject to both Squidoo HQ AND community scrutiny in an OPEN “marketplace,” perhaps much of the problem would resolve itself. Would it be more work for Squidoo to have to actively monitor the process? Yes, certainly. But it would also give those engaged in the business of “shady” (or even frivolous) transfers pause for thought.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/gottaloveit gottaloveit

    I think this is a GREAT idea. I’ve wandered upon some pretty bad lenses lately and think that, by strengthening the site, you strengthen all of the good stuff too.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CrystalNici CrystalNici

    It sucks that people are doing that here, this is the greatest place for writers on the net. There are always some in every situation that seek to manipulate the system and ruin things for others. I am gutted about the lens transfer as I was intending to start an account for my special needs son and send him a lens once a month when I get established so he has the beginnings of a passive income for when he is older. It is not that much of a problem though I will just write them on his account! I totally understand why you are doing it, but like I said it ruins things for the genuine, hardworking people who want to transfer lenses to others as gifts. Well keep up the good work, keep the site as perfect as it is no matter what, the loyal people will stick with you and benefit in the long run xxx

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/FreelancePRDotCom FreelancePRDotCom

    Surely, adding some way to report a bad, spun lens (perhaps even having Quests to find them) is more fair than punishing honest people by stopping the transfer of Lenses. I can make a Lens from scratch now, and much of the time I do, but at first I hired someone to build them for me and I wrote the majority of the content after she transferred them. I like the writing and research part, not the administrative part of configuring widgets. This was a perfect solution because I didn’t have to give the freelancer admin access to my Squidoo account, so I could maintain the security of the account. Why are you making it harder for me, the original content creator, to use Squidoo?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/oscar5219 oscar5219

    good information and can only benefit us folks that try and do it the way we are supposed to

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/musclebuildingmatters musclebuildingmatters

    I am glad squidoo is hitting spun content, it has no place here.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/athomemomblog athomemomblog

    Well, this sure opened a can of worms! As someone who recently sold two of my top lenses in order to pay some medical bills, and also does custom lenses for clients on a regular basis, I can say that the lens transfer situation really should NOT go away completely. I like the ideas given on making it a privilege and it seems that this would be the way to go.

    Getting rid of spam is great. The big concern is if it will cause problems for those of us who have worked hard on our content. As Google has proven, new algorithms and filters can have a devastating effect on the good guys, by accident. I hope everything goes smoothly as you make the transition. However, my experience is that Squidoo listens to their writers and that makes all the difference.

    Off to beef up any of my lenses that might not make the cut!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kingsingh kingsingh

    Thank you Squidoo for keeping this community unique and available to people that really want to provide value to our readers. This type of communication that you provide is very valuable and is what differentiates Squidoo from everyone else. Thank you for keeping this a place of substance and high value. Take care my Squidoo friends.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RedSirenJulie RedSirenJulie

    Hello, I also agree that it is great that Squidoo is cracking down on spam and spun content, it is just weird and unnecessary. However I don’t see how taking away the ability to transfer lenses would stop spun content?

    Also, is there a way for us to report spun content when we come across it on Squidoo?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/OrgyofLife OrgyofLife

    Such a shame, the minority always has to spoil it for everybody else, why? We live in such a wonderful world, what is it people don’t get? I hope you really crack down on it. Regards Martin

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/asphyxia asphyxia

    Props to Squidoo for recognizing a problem and putting a solution into action! The number of low quality lenses making it into the top tier and onto the front page these days is depressing and I applaud any effort to change this.

    My only concern is that — given the inevitable imperfection of any algorithm — these new tools may throw up red flags on lenses that aren’t actually “spun.” Perhaps there could be a warning e-mail for Giants of a certain level (maybe 50 or 100?). None of my lenses are “thin” or suffer from keyword stuffing, but the thought of a bot being able to delete my account without warning is terrifying nonetheless.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Photahsiamirabel Photahsiamirabel

      My point entirely having had music lenses fall foul of the duplicate content bot because they contained note name scales!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lovelifelaughter Lovelifelaughter

    Love the Ratbike lens. I know nothing about bikes, but it’s a really quality lens. Loads of good content. Something to aspire to. The passion shines through.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/empathzone empathzone

    I think it would be interesting to have a button to report lenses.

    For a robot to detect a spammy lens is hard, but for people is not. The community is active, proud and loving. The site has embraced and encouraged it from many angles (the creation of squid angels for example), now it could be used for the police work as well.

    I know it can be abused, but to report should not be the end of it. Someone should see the lenses before taking any decision.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/RedHairedRockHead RedHairedRockHead

    …and this is why I like Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Scarebaby Scarebaby

    Hear hear!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AlleyCatLane AlleyCatLane

    I agree with many of these lensmasters comments. I hope Squidoo will tighten up and get rid of spammers, and stop promoting them however unwiittingly I also have some other concerns..

    I am a Squid Angel myself and recieved it at the 25 lenses Giant level which at the time was objected to by many older lensmasters . Now it appears everyone is being made a SquidAngel automatically, again with no direction or instruction, and I find the blessings are rapidly losing all meaning.

    I feel the same about the purple stars. Squidoo used to limit them to 1000 a year, but that appears to be out the window. I have 19 and am proud of the lenses that received them, but I have seen lenses receive them that have little content or merit also.

    I just read this article by geekgreek that I hope Squidoo HQ will read and consider as they are making all these changes. Here’s the article, Thin Content on Squidoo Is NOT a New Problem; Something Else Is

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/GatorD GatorD

    Being new to Squidoo with only one published lens I have found this “quest” as it was presented to me very informative and also fascinating! I still have a lot to learn about the entire Squidoo world and want to thank all of those or you who have responded to this issue for your comments.

    Obviously I have a lot to learn and hope I do not offend anyone if I speak out of turn here.

    I can certainly agree that keeping spammers and spun content out of the lenses as well as “keyword stuffing” is a necessity. If I’m understanding some of the comments which seem to be in favor of allowing certain “transfer type” activities to be allowed at the “Giant” level but not at the lower levels seems somewhat like “letting the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.

    I’m just a babe here so please go easy on me! I guess I just don’t get the big picture yet!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dalsun dalsun

    I see this as a good thing. It should help prevent squidoo from becoming a spammy site.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Lemming13 Lemming13

    I’m another one happy to hear this; it makes me sad when I go from a really super lens someone has worked hard on to some awful spam lens. Sadder still when I look at the top 100 lenses in topics and find them riddled with this kind of lens simply because they have been getting googled traffic. I don’t know about blocking transfers, though. The only one I ever did was a gift for my daughter, and I am happy I was able to do that for her. Could you mark off transferred lenses and have them moderated, to be deleted if this kind of activity begins?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/stangerj stangerj

    I am relatively NEW to Squidoo. However once or twice I have written a 100% original lens only to have squidoo lock it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Taoski Taoski

    People who build spammy, spun lenses for people will just diversify into selling a TXT file with the HTML required for people to build the lenses themselves.

    Its a natural progression…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ClassyGals ClassyGals

    Hooray! I’ve been waiting for Squidoo to eliminate these cookie cutter spam lenses that are basically just full of Amazon products. As a Squid Angel I’ve become so very tired of viewing them, especially after seeing these lenses just getting published and are already having 15 or more squid likes (obviously there’s some kind of club here). Thank you Squidoo! Massive improvement to the site!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KitandCaboodle KitandCaboodle

    So glad that this is being addressed. It is unfair for those who are putting in the work and time to create meaningful content.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/neoclaydolls neoclaydolls

    Enough is enough with spammers, well done Squidoo! After all, if quality of the service Squidoo offers plummets, visits and usage will plummet too.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/madvyking madvyking

    common sense to me

  • http://www.ssstlg.com/ Robert Wiley Hughey

    I’ve read that several of the online marketing automation tools had been trying to crack Squidoo to produce lenses rapidly. I guess that would be how they do it then. I swear, if I could just lose my ethics for a while, i could be so rich. Spamming people, creating absolute junk and being PROUD of it… scumbags. :(

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/taylorday taylorday

    I can understand the stopping of spun content, but I think its a shame we have to stop lens transfer for people who produce a good quality lens. People who are producing poor quality lenses and selling them will do so by other means,.

  • Anthony Altorenna

    Rewards drive behaviors. The Tier payment structure is an incentive for unscrupulous people to cheat the system with spun content and other Black Hat techniques. Good content and high traffic should be rewarded, but the high Tier 1 payments drive some game the system — and to reap incredible monthly financial payments. If Squidoo really wants to address the Spammers, then seriously look at every Tier 1 lens to determine if they meet the TOS and quality content guidelines before rewarding the account with a monthly Tier 1 payment. Also, look to restructure the tier payment systems, balancing the tiers and spreading the payments across more of the lens that demonstrate the quality content that Squidoo strives to attract.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/InfoCoop InfoCoop

    Overall, I support this decision and certainly understand the need to protect Squidoo’s rank in Google and it’s reputation in the online community. I am newish to the community and have based some of my sales lenses on the lenses I’ve seen on the site under the assumption that they were “appropriate.” If lenses of poor quality remain on the site, we run the risk of other newbies committing the same sin and modeling their work on the poor quality work of others.The problem will then only grow exponentially.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DataBit DataBit

    Good to know about this upcoming screening of spun text lenses. Of-course most of the marketing campaigns spread the meaningless content everywhere.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ringthepost ringthepost

    I agree that the writing of a lense should be done by the author and no one else. But don’t go on a witch for people who talk about a topic and stick to that topic. I have no problem stopping the spun content, the impersonal content but thats as far as I think this should go.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TandCrecruitment TandCrecruitment

    I am very happy your hardening because I revieved an email not long ago which looked like a Squidoo email, the ones you get when you get a comment! How ever it had some ones email address no squidoos. I was very shocked that this person told me how attractive I was and how they wanted to meet me. It also went on to say ”not to ignore this email” so because it has Squidoo normal message and looked like a normal Squidoo email I clicked onto it. Then email the person back saying ”thank you but no thankyou!” ect and this person got me to a very annoyed point when it kept emailing me how ”I want you to be my husband” I am a women she even went as far as sending me photos not quite explicit but still not nice. So, I did threaten this person with police if they kept emailing me and this person emailed me ”Why police” I never answered this one. I’ve had nothing since so crossed fingers but this person did get me from Squidoo. Not sure it was a member I say it because I dont know if it was male/female really. :) but some brilliant changes there.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TanoCalvenoa TanoCalvenoa

    Good! Make it stop!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/miaponzo miaponzo

    I am sooo glad that Squidoo is taking care of this! I have gotten tooooo many emails trying to sell me Squidoo spinners… and I’m not interested!!!!! What is the point, if the lens isn’t personal and something you’re really passionate about, the whole thing is a waste of time and doesn’t really really do anything for sales either…. I have also been approached by people wanting to buy my lenses, and I’m not interested in that either.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tvyps tvyps

      Ditto….and I don’t even look like Patrick Swayze…ha!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TandCrecruitment TandCrecruitment

    Brilliant… I have tried to like and comment but seems its playing up never mind :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/penepenep penepenep

    Thanks for explaining this. I had never even heard of spun content and didn’t know that this was done.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lilymom24 lilymom24

    I’m in favor of getting rid of spun content. I don’t know how much transferring lenses will do to reduce it though. Time will tell I guess.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DivaChick DivaChick

    I’m New to Squidoo almost a week in, this diva thinks it awesome to not that you will be working on removing lens that are spun or don’t have great contain :-D

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/foxtrot3 foxtrot3

    Good idea. This can only increase the quality of Squidoo overall.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/baseballchris46 baseballchris46

    I know what everyone means about spun content. I understand the need to crack down on this but, I do not feel that stopping transfer of lenses is the proper way to go about this. One I agree that a spun content filter would help but, also requiring that a lens master must be of a certain level or time on squidoo would help. I know I have sold lenses to people and often transfer the lenses to people. Many of the lenses have ranked up in the tier 3 rankings which, for a relatively new lens is great. Many people choose to buy a lens because they are new to squidoo or do not know much about it but, they want the page, back linking, and income associated with it. As a squid Giant and Squid Angel I have spent a lot of time and effort creating lenses. I have learned many things in the process. Many people who want a lens transferred do not have the time to create a lens themselves and learn the process of how squidoo works and would rather outsource the work to experts.

    One idea is that perhaps each page should have a button on it that fellow readers can use to report a lens as appearing to be spun content. Also, many of these lenses are so poorly written that they will never rank well in the system and will most likely fall into the not featured section real quickly.

    I agree that one bad apple ruins the bunch but, I feel that ending the transfer lens option should not be the solution.

    Chris

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Vortrek_Grafix Vortrek_Grafix

    We applaud efforts to weed out superficial lenses void of stimulating content. Spam focused purely on commercial interests with no added practical andor intellectual value should not be jamming up Squidoo’s search queues (and possibly occupying top niches in them). One caveat though, a project of such magnitude is likely to employ scripted auto-filters which might also target legitimate lenses. For example, Vortrek_Grafix had its first lens blocked by an auto-filter for content explaining the distinction between random “gambling” and non-random proposition evaluation such as sports, poker, and casino promotional offers where proper judgement of the variables can present positive expected values. The same non-random evaluation criteria apply to the stock market, insurance risk assessment, investment banking, etc but those do not have the “stigma” associated with them. To be fair, such auto-blocking is not unique to Squidoo. Other sites, including several big name search engines, have similar arbitrary auto-blockers. So in summary, we respect and support the motive behind filtering out unwanted lenses, but if auto-filters are employed to compare say the ratio of original content to advertising space (or other arbitrary but “measurable” parameters), then please take care not to do so to the detriment of otherwise goodsolid content. Thank you.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/artbyrodriguez artbyrodriguez

    Thanks for keeping us informed.

  • http://www.sharisphotos.webs.com/ Shari

    I have to admit, I’m very glad Squidoo is cracking down on this. We’ve all been doing what we can to help with this, and I think we should continue to do so. It looks like we’re going to have more support behind us for it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Steve_Kaye Steve_Kaye

    I applaud Squidoo for fixing this. I have always been a fierce proponent of making original content. As a professional speaker since 1992, I’ve encountered too many who used “borrowed” or bought content to take business from those who labored to create original content.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TJBOOMER TJBOOMER

    I am relatively new, so I do not have the experience that many others do but it seems like punishing the many for the actions of a few. Maybe restricting transfers to Giant Squids would be a reasonable approach.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AtomicGirl AtomicGirl

    A lot of people have become angry at the fact that HQ’ed outed a spammer as, well, being a spammer.

    Even though I can understand why it’s bad form for HQ to “name and shame”, I can on the other hand understand the level of frustration that would’ve pushed a community leader to do this.

    How many years has HQ been PATIENTLY and POLITELY stressing the importance of balancing sales modules with good content? Practically every other day HQ is saying, “Look, please try to do something with your lenses. Don’t just drop modules. Personalize, inform, post reviews– engage your readers.”

    Yet no matter how many times HQ talks about the importance of not emphasizing sales at the expense of content, there’s always been a certain “element” stubbornly rebelling against this advice.

    For example, last year there was someone who was literally bragging about the time she blew off a member of HQ who had personally sent her a message kindly asking her to add more content to one her lenses. Can you imagine the sheer audacity? Not only rejecting HQ but bragging about it on the forums that she had blown HQ off? But this is what she did. She said, “It makes sales, so I just ignored him.” She actually SAID that!

    Or how about the time there was a heated exchange when one person said that no one had the right to criticize spam lenses, because there are “people suffering all over the world.” So we should just allow people to spam because this is their only way of surviving.

    Month after month, year after year, there’s been that “element” that refuses to listen, that rejects advice, that even makes a mockery of HQ. You can see that “rebellious element” here in this very comments section where people are making every excuse to defend one of the worst egregious examples of spam by an obvious Blackhat user, a pathetic lens where a person basically dropped nothing but modules, searched Amazon’s best selling shower curtains, and entered a few ASINs!

    If I were a member of HQ patiently posting time and time again what MY SITE expects from its users and a certain segment keeps putting its fingers in its ears and going, “Nyah nyah nyah! I’m not listening!” you know what? I can see myself getting frustrated enough to go, “Time to name and shame. We’ve talked ourselves hoarse, we’ve posted countless articles time and time again, there are people that no matter what we say or do just will not get it! Time for drastic measures.”
    Again, not saying that this is the best way that HQ could’ve handled this situation, but I can understand how someone may have been driven to post something like this. Yes, it’s wrong to start outing people, but so is arrogantly telling a site that’s given you the courtesy of making money here, “I don’t care what YOU tell me to do; I will write my lens the way I want.”

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Debs Debs

    Sounds like great news to me – vigilance is the key. Google is loving us right now, but too many spammy lenses could change that overnight – and then we ALL suffer!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Atreyusmommy Atreyusmommy

    I’m happy that Squidoo is taking care of people that do this.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bohemianstorytellingtours bohemianstorytellingtours

    I am so pleased to see that this has come to the attention of Squidoo HQ, and that we’ve recognized a crossroads here and a plan to address the situation. Well done!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Ilona1 Ilona1

    I say Hooooray! I have always thought the internet as a whole should be about real communication, so if Squidoo is on that bandwagon I am glad to be going with it. If there needs to be a loss of features until a handle is in place, then so be it. In the quest to become something of real value to readers, we might sometimes get caught in the tentacles, and some of our lenses might get unfairly snagged. I think it is worth it.

    Admittedly I have never sold or transferred lenses, but I feel confident that Squidoo is capable of reinstating features if they can do it without giving the “spun content” their loopholes. I am just plain tired of this kind of litter on the internet.

    So I say kudos to the powers that be on Squidoo who are working to make this a reputable and valuable site.

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/pauly99 pauly99

    Completely agreed! Sometimes the pure nature of the subject doesn’t bring out the author in us and some of us are challenged by our limited vocabulary but spun content is one of the things that started turning me off of creating my own websites. Meaning I was watching others put up very similar work with words that flat out didn’t make sense within a given sentence, yet they were outranking me, perhaps due to backlinking and/or stuffing keywords. I am happy to get away from that.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/agagata agagata

    I’m only new here and I’m not sure if I should even post (and I admit I haven’t read all the 187 comments). I don’t know what these transfers are so I have no opinion here but I agree that only good quality lenses should be allowed on Squidoo. I have visited quite a lot of lenses since I joined and to be honest, many of them were mostly Amazon ads. Hardly any content. But, I didn’t have an option to “not like” the lens, only to like it, share it etc. What if we put something like a red flag button and then these flagged lenses could be manually checked by HQ to decide if it is spam or not? They wouldn’t be automatically banned but if someone actually went and checked them, I think it would be only fair.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CalobrenaOmai CalobrenaOmai

    I keep hearing this phrase “spun content” and still don’t quite get the meaning. I also do work as a freelance writer who writes short articles and they have a statement that they won’t accept spun content. I actually had to go back and redo a lens because I had no idea it was so short. Have noted you mentioned a tool that will detect spun content in lenses; will this new tool be accurate? I have had at least one bad experience with a similar tool on another site.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rihamah rihamah

    hi,

    make several sales lenses and I was wondering if these are OK or not? can you please advise me about them.

    http://www.squidoo.com/top-10-baby-girl-shower-invitations

    http://www.squidoo.com/soup-mugs-with-handle-soup-bowls-with-handles

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mikewaz mikewaz

    I agree with you about low quality lenses with poor content but if one of the lenses you pointed out was a good fit for my (hypothetical) portfolio I would still like the ability to snatch it up.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/supergras supergras

    wow. If you were looking for a reaction….

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LudwigWalnut LudwigWalnut

    That’s good news. We spend a lot of time writing and creating good content and some people just steal good keywords and waste hour time.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/thrivingmom thrivingmom

    I’m so glad to see the choppy, obviously spun content go. But this statement makes me nervous:

    “Go through your lenses. Find the ones where you don’t have anything to
    say and delete them. For the rest, say something! Make it personal.
    Highlight your own experiences and your own points of view and make it
    yours.”

    Now granted, I’m a worry wart. But the lack of specific criteria troubles me. Will our sales lenses end up locked because they don’t contain personal stories?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/seegreen seegreen

      Yes, I am concerned also. Spun content and thin content are two different things, but both are mentioned above.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jennysue19 jennysue19

    I really don’t think the problem is going to be fixed by stopping lens transfers. Yes, by all means police it in a way that is fair to those who do it regularly but don’t be blind to what people are saying here and have said in the forum ever since I joined Squidoo. There are lenses in top tiers which blatantly break Squiddon’ts because the rule they broke wasn’t retrospective. There are lenses that are 99% Amazon links and no real written content. I even saw one lens recently by a Giant that was mostly one massive Plexo driven by readers and the absolute bare minimum of anything else. You could count the words he’d written himself almost on your fingers.

    Lensrank is not rewarding Squids who research and work hard on their writing, use good grammar, check their spelling and provide genuine originality. If this makes a few people feel a bit embarrassed by lenses they have with Tier 1 status and very little real content to justify it then that’s good.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting sales of related material on your lens – whether using the New Amazon module or anything else and I would certainly not ban alternatives like the Squidtools boxes, but it has to be in the context of a lens where the owner has done more than code links.

    Something has to be done to remove the ‘dark art’ mystique that goes into getting a lens into Tier 1 and create a level playing field. Yes there will be shrieks of agony from a few who should never have been there in the first place and who have grown fat on the profits of poor work, but it will be a healthy process for Squidoo and lensmasters who honestly deserve it will take their positions.

    • BLemley

      Very well said ~ Thank you for your well thought out comments and observations. I agree with everything you say! And thanks for saying it so well! B : )

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mary-stephenson mary-stephenson

    There will always be some that never play by the rules and cheat others out of their hard earned efforts in creating something of value. I am glad for the crack down. Although I am trying to keep my own websites and comment on other sites, it is a real pain to waste value time on other people’s ridiculous nonsense. The problem is they are probably earning good money on garbage work and those of us who try to be ethical and give something of value are being lost in the shuffle. There are a lot of good writers out there that add much value to people’s lives but never get the exposure or recognition. It would be nice to make more places on the internet a fair playing field for those of us who are creating value. Thank you for the changes coming.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/takkhis takkhis

    I have no intention to buy lens from others! Squidoo is a place where one can pull his or her own ideas from brain and then share with all.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DvdMovieGirl DvdMovieGirl

    I loved the examples you have shown, as a newbie here this has really opened my eyes as to what can be achieved!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/keithppc keithppc

    I hate spun content. Today, I have taken down one of my article websites because of the spun rubbish people are submitting. I rarely see a good article these days. Yesterday I had over 250 spun articles submitted by bots. When I write a lens, or any article, I always check my content at http://plagiarisma.net/ to make sure that it is unique. Spinning content is just plain lazy!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MissKeenReviewer MissKeenReviewer

    YES- I definitely agree with this observation. I often find some lensmasters who are obviously marketing their writing ability and offered services to write lens for others. And some lens that are often highly rated are lacking content and somehow lost with the context of the lens title that they created.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kiwinana71 kiwinana71

    Thanks for taking on this problem, hopefully it gets sorted out, being the only fair way for all lens masters.

  • Shelly Buckman

    I’m also very glad Squidoo is cracking down on this issue. I even agree that the transfer option might not be a good one; however, the transfer option is the only way to change a username. It’s not a very good one because you do lose a bit in the transfer, like your levels (ouch) but maybe use it as a “level” incentive. Reach level ?? and have the option to change your username once maybe? So many of us start this quest (no pun intended) with no idea how it will pan out. We keep our fingers crossed, write good quality content and hope that it will be all we imagined. Some of us realize, wow what a great opportunity and we keep on writing. It becomes our new “thing” but, unfortunately, we didn’t realize it when we first started and gave ourselves a username like Mary347 when it turns out it should have been something like Marylovesgucci, lol. Squidoo is a great opportunity for many of us and I’m glad to see that those who do not appreciate it will no longer be able to take advantage of it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MissKeenReviewer MissKeenReviewer

    And why would some lens writer buy another lens from someone else? Isn’t it that Squidoo is after originality and personal touch on each lens? Lens for sale??? Hell no to that!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/paperfacets paperfacets

    Through my time on Squidoo, features and tools have come and gone. I am still fixing last summer’s flickr exit. I have learned a new approach. The sight is not static, meaning, it is not stuck in one form or another. Just because some have found a money making niche with this or that does not make those actions a lively hood forever. Even a suppose constant like phone calls and being heard over a wire, and the huge infrastructure established for it, goes by the way side. I am hearing that spam and spin is a problem. What are the actions needed to clean it up? The avenues, I guess, by what HQ’s is saying, is content for hire. Let’s start somewhere and not give the tools to do it easily.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ruspi99 ruspi99

    Hi, I’m new here, I agree about this and I just want learn more and make a better lens.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DavidCorcoran DavidCorcoran

    For those that feel my Lenses are worthless, useless and not up to the standards of those on Squidoo….please advise and I will cease contributions immediately and delete all lenses. My writing is spontaneous and not purchased, nor copied, but factual non-fiction.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Steve_Kaye Steve_Kaye

    I came back because this issue is important to me.

    I spend days, sometimes weeks, creating a single lens with my original content. So I resent it that someone could achieve any success (especially a higher rank or more income) by cheating the system.

    As a published author, I also dislike ghost writers. They take business from real authors who spend huge amounts of time creating original content. And I think ghost writers deceive the public by elevating fake authors into positions they never could have achieved on their own.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tvyps tvyps

    I don’t need to transfer a lens at this point (just filled out the form) but still like the idea of “gifting” a lens. Maybe not adding content but just the format and if the person being gifted accepts, then the lens would be red until published? This could also be a good idea for new lensmasters. Someone could kick-start them on a format, without standard headings, such as “guestbook comments” and they could have a good idea what to do on their next lens. It might help someone be successful, at the beginning of their Squidoo existence.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SudokuNut SudokuNut

    If Squidoo wants to get rid of spun content and spammy lenses then aren’t human editors the way to go? Put new lenses in a moderated zone so they are only published once they’ve been reviewed. I remember when Hubpages got slapped I went and actually looked at some of the new content being published and it was 90% garbage. I’m sure Squidoo has the same issue. I’ve also seen a heck of a lot of tools, ebooks and other garbage being offered by the usual make money fast peddlers at various marketing forums which are targeting Squidoo directly and actively encouraging the production of garbage lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/d-artist d-artist

    Seems like when something starts out good, there are those that take advantage and make it bad for others…I for one can tell over the years that many things have changed here at Squidoo…it’s become very commercial (commercial lenses)

    And just a note about FB,…I have a list of people wanting for me to befriend, but not once showed me they even had a Squidoo ID or lenses. So, I’m leery of many saying they WORK for Squidoo. JMO

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/chi_kung chi_kung

    I agree that this spun text is nonsense and doesn’t serve anybody. I don’t know anything about transfers so I don’t have an opinion about it…

    Reading through the comments and reading the greatgeeks article it seems to me that this mentioned article pinpointed the changes that caused google “derankings”

    and if that is the case – HQ should know – than those are very important issues to fix! – besides spun content

    Again, going back to a lot of amazon modules and almost no text – if these lenses got high ranking and stayed so, that in my eyes means that these lenses brought in a great amount of income to squidoo as well. So they might not be bad at all then…. Would be interesting to see statistics on this issue….

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/terrapin719 terrapin719

    Locking lens transfers to deal with spun content feels like putting a bandaid on your arm while your leg is gushing blood all over the floor. It doesn’t seem like it really addresses the problem. Perhaps we’re not seeing the bigger picture and there’s some kind of activity monitoring going on behind the scenes to look for patterns by spammers?

    I think what worries me most about the discussion so far is talk of adding an automatic filter or tool …. I think many lensmasters have had run-ins with the duplicate content filter flagging a lens even when we have UUU content on it and then the frustration that is getting it unflagged. I think many people just delete the lens and start over because it’s faster than trying to get support for the issue. The problem I see with deleting a lens and starting over instead of waiting for support to unflag something that may have been accidentally flagged as duplicate (maybe for a long title or a very specific portion of a description) is that skipping support means they’re not seeing what tripped the filter and therefore can’t do anything to improve the feature so it doesn’t happen again.

    Getting support isn’t as easy as it used to be though. I’ve had support tickets not get replied to until 30 to 60 days after they were submitted (both with the Giant Squid Concierge email address and just using the bug report form on the site) Maybe instead of more tools and automated solutions, more people and more eyes reviewing content would be more help in this particular situation of dealing with spun and low quality content. The Squidoo site is huge overall, more eyes certainly couldn’t hurt things.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Paladins Paladins

    Spun content always reminds me of a kid in a classroom, jealous of another child’s attention from the teacher, throwing his hand up and frantically waving to try to grab the teacher’s eye.

    Nothing new to say, just trying to gain an edge.

    There is a huge difference between spinning and curation and we all need to take the time to add our own unique perspective to a topic that we write about.

    After all, who wants to read the same thing, over and over again?

    Thanks for the article.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CreativeArtist CreativeArtist

    I think it would be a good idea to only put a temporary hold on transferring lens, so that reputable lensmasters can continue doing their business, once some good solutions have been achieved.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kitty222 kitty222

    Sorry to hear that you’re turning off the ability to transfer Lenses because of the problem. I have to agree that spun content is a problem for any site like Squidoo though.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mermaidsbite mermaidsbite

    Ouch! Thank goodness I’ve never come across such lenses. I purchased twice from articles here yesterday, trying to support other writers. Since I have a business, too, I receive offers every day in my inbox for pinterest pin generators and content templates. Yuck. I’m a writer, and marketing is a pay-it-forward business these days. The boiler rooms are emptying out and real people are working to make art. This place must remain organic. :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MaryMitchell MaryMitchell

    Any action which gets rid of spammy lenses can only be good news…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/chickie99 chickie99

    i agree spinning is not the answer to good seo!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lollyj lollyj

    I’m a technodummy so have never tried to use “key words” and don’t understand why people buy or sell lenses. But I HAVE wondered how someone with 3 lenses has twice as many badges as others with 30, 40, 50 lenses. My goal is to make lenses from my heart and not worry about lensranks, etc. Squidoo has been a blessing to me.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/FCharron FCharron

    Very happy to read this, nothing wrong with a little “Spring Cleaning” before March 21rst!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dustmop dustmop

    I am still a newbie and I hope I do not have any spun content!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rollie64 rollie64

    Thank you :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SuzyShopping SuzyShopping

    There are a lot of interesting comments below, and I agree with many of them. I certainly don’t like landing on a lens with spun content or nothing but affiliate links.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/blackspanielgallery blackspanielgallery

    Needed change.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ryanmickley ryanmickley

    Respect! Im in Internet Marketing for a living and everyday I come across scams, black hats, spam that drives me nuts! It devalues my profession but worse the consumer’s experience. There are no short cuts in life and I am so proud of Squidoo for doing the right thing and stopping this before it gets worse. Thank you Squidoo!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Decanus Decanus

    shame self-policing is no longer enough, but seems a fair step. If Squidoo gets a bad name we all do, and all the lenses will suffer. Google can be severe on perceived threats…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/0ctavias0fferings 0ctavias0fferings

    This is a great step forward. All those spammy type lenses pull the quality of the site down.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/victoria91 victoria91

    Spun content is useless. I am glad you are nipping it in the bud before it gets really out of hand.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Tata2u Tata2u

    Keep it clean and meaningful. Will build a better community.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Nightcat Nightcat

    Wow, I can hear the theme music for the Death Star, but it is about time! Well done! :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DChance DChance

    What I think is wrong is that the time to carry out the quests are too short. I am new and if I wanted to win I may just have to buy someone else’s lens. Just so everyone knows mine are not bought from anyone. I have been spending some time making all my lens but I am storing to wonder if even the top Squid people are having a hard time making the lens in such a short time.
    P.S. I have read the, “Love Is In the Air,” quest only days ago and had to pick one of the lens that I liked from the pile of very short lens. Others had polls but still I wanted to love the lens but I was disappointed. I picked one that everyone liked but I felt bad for the people with shorter lens.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ConnieGreen ConnieGreen

    I agree completely that we need to be more personal and authentic in our lenses. That will keep Squidoo strong for many years to come.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/joenikki joenikki

    I almost left Squidoo early on because both my husband and I write, but when we saw how awful some of the lenses are here, we seriously considered other alternatives (edited this sentence to be more narrow in the critique of certain lenses).

    On the flip side, whenever I read something online now, especially any advice areas or supposed ‘reviews’ I look for the things that should be there to see that someone ‘real’ actually reviewed and wrote it.

    Anyway, thanks very much for making this change. It was needed, as the quality of some parts of the site leave much to be desired. Plus, it is spring, and what better time for house cleaning!! ;)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nuttymandy nuttymandy

    thaNKS.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/adwanco adwanco

    i believe you are 100% correct.Lately a lot of lense are just selling stuff and creating i guess hits for search engine to catch them or notice them.Many are commercially oriented and focus on selling instead of sharing personal experiences about things we love.
    We should always think Quality always beat quantity.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LifeAhead LifeAhead

    I’m just getting started on Squidoo and was looking around last evening. I saw 4 or 5 “latest lenses” in a row that were all from the same source. I looked at one and it was clearly spun content. I went back to the list a while later and all those lenses had disappeared from the list.

    Obviously this is a BIG problem and HQ is doing what they can to get ahead of it. Good on them! When you also hear about all the big companies getting hacked recentl,y it appears the bad guys are out in full force everywhere.

    Do what ya gotta do HQ!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/texan203 texan203

    I am glad to see spun content removed. I don’t feel that preventing the transfer of lenses is the fairest way to go though. I hope this ban will be short lived.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/JeriBaker JeriBaker

    I work on being a better Squidoo member. I only have four lenses, but they are from the heart. It saddens me to hear of the spun content spreading in an environment where I know so many work to share their passions.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Kalpanasinha Kalpanasinha

    I can’t understand why anybody would use spun content. Writing is such a pleasure!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/healinghands123 healinghands123

    “What’s Your Story? Create a collection of the things you know and love.” Just curious…how can someone else write MY story?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/visualNZ visualNZ

    Excellent step to take…removing spun content can only improve Squidoo

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Clkns Clkns

    good idea. spun text … zzzzz … zzzzz ….

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LubosLabik LubosLabik

      that’s funny :D

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AilynK AilynK

    like

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/JeromyS7 JeromyS7

    I have to admit, I have participated in this, but not to spit out the garbage that is shown in the example. Rather, I have written my own content, spun it and posted the variations at different places. It’s been a long time since I did this (got smarter in my old age). However, you do raise a good point, canning dead lens. I am thinking I will have a look at my own and purge a couple out.
    Cheers!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kar351 kar351

    I never realized that lens like that exist. I am pretty sure my lens are not like that. They may not be amazing or great lens, but are written by me for readers, not search engines. Of course I do my keywords research in a way.

    I am gland Squidoo, gives lots of importance in this. Sometimes is hard to make a lens because of spam filters and other stuff, but if we are sure we have a good lens (happen to me) we can always ask a more personal review and if it is ok, it will have the green go.

    I have heard a lot of spin articles and stuff like that, I always look at those stuff with a suspicious eye, since, what the hell is this article different from that apart a few dozen different words? That might be good to articles directories but not for Squidoo.
    Writing with passion and with our heart and about things we really know and like is what makes a good lens.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bohemianstorytellingtours bohemianstorytellingtours

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot today. It seems to me that of course there are those who will do anything on Squidoo to try to make a buck– it is my opinion that that’s just the kind of platform Squidoo’s creators have put together. It is agressively ad-heavy, to the point of offensive.

    Here on Squidoo, ads take so many different forms that they are utterly pervasive. If the Squidoo team wants to see artful, skilled, and creative writing, then they should create a platform that is inviting to artists. Create a platform that isn’t completely pasted over with banners and ad links and ad-bars at the bottom of the screen.

    I’m glad that this conversation is happening. But I think the ball is in Squidoo’s court. I challenge the Squid Team to give us an option that makes no money– and that is completely free of ads. That action alone would set a powerful precedent, and could send a signal to this community that we are not about these ubiquitous ads. We are about the writing. We are about the sharing of ideas and opinions. We are about the participation in a community of thinkers and writers. And give us a choice, other than leaving the community, to completely opt out of that fast money mentality.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bohemianstorytellingtours bohemianstorytellingtours

      In short, give us an option that is 100% about making art and making connection, not about making money.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jmwe29 jmwe29

    Spun content to me is indicative of someone trying to get something for nothing, an attitude that plagues society now. It takes effort to crank out a lens that is worth reading and is original, and people often just don’t want to take the time. I have spent days working on lenses before publishing, working hard on content, credited pictures, amazon modules, etc.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jimporsche86 jimporsche86

    I am not smart enough to make a spun content lens, not even sure what that means. :(

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Aja103654 Aja103654

    I am worried.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LubosLabik LubosLabik

      I’m not :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AmyJoReviews AmyJoReviews

    I am so happy to hear this! This is really good news! I work very hard to make my lenses personal. So, it is exciting to me to know that the lenses with spun content will be dealt with! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this! I wish there was a like button here!!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/adventuretravelshop adventuretravelshop

    Squidoo – don’t fear – you’ll figure out a way of getting rid of these cheaters. We should always report them when we come across them. If we all do that they’ll soon be gone. The fight is on!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/willoconner willoconner

    We all need to take the initiative to make it better and we also need to correct our self.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bloomingrose bloomingrose

    My biggest regret here is the inability to sell and buy lenses – because I think that is an opportunity for someone to get a little business doing the technical aspects of putting up a lens, and transferring it to a lensmaster who should add personal content. I know excellent lensmasters who buy and sell lenses – some of our very best as matter of fact. Some business people have also hired Ironically, I was in the process of making my first sale to a lawyer of one of my lenses, now I cannot do that. :( I guess we also cannot have two lensmaster names? I was also getting ready to transfer a bunch of my own lenses to another lensmaster name – I was organizing my lenses by niche. I guess I am a bit behind in both cases. I am worried about the “thin content-” I had started to publish lenses with the intent of gradually adding content, but just getting them up to start the process. One of my on-going problems has been that if I write everything I know about a topic right off the bat, there is nothing to add when I update, so I have been writing lenses with more room to grow. Ironically, I also have really started promoting sales lenses, because I just wasn’t making enough with some of my more personal, heartfelt pages. I understand the need to promote quality content, but this seems harsh. Anyway, we will adjust but I do hope that HQ looks at the lensmaster as a whole before they delete lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/FastSecrets FastSecrets

    I fully agee in putting a stop to these spun content lens.

    Those that practice this should be dealt with severely in order

    to put a stop on this problem. Total ban or deletion of their

    accounts might help to eliminate those guilty of spun contents

    Currently you have imposed a ban on transfer of lens,

    this action although it puts a stop on the spun content

    will also harm those geniune creative lensmasters.

    I hope the ban will be remove after additional measures

    are imposed for those who wants this facilities.

    Suggestion of additional measures would be

    Only Giant Squids of 100 and above are qualified

    Copyscape certified lens are allowed to be transfered

    Penalty for transfering spun lens iimmediate ban or deletion

    Thanks

    Fastsecrets

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jolinsz jolinsz

    Hopefully, we will all do better as squidoo do better to clean up lenses with no content.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/campingman campingman

    Sounds like there is a big shake up in Squid-land. So much negativity in the last few days, my gosh. I sure hope that whatever is bothering someone gets fixed pretty soon so all of us “Little People” can get back to having fun and writing squids.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Jawill Jawill

    This is the big step in the right direction!
    I might be considered as having some thin content on a few lenses but it is all content I wrote every word of myself and nothing copied or spun. I still have much to learn about Squidoo, and I’m not very knowledgeable on the technical side of things so I’ll just say this…

    I read every comment on this page and the Greekgeek article. There are many great points made here and I know you will take all into account to make the best decisions to maintain the high integrity of your property. Just wanted to wish you all the best at getting the outcome all Squid’s desire.

  • http://constructivethinker.blogspot.com/ Jay- Jamar

    lots of stuff to consider here! Will take this into account being new to squidoo myself

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/footprints100 footprints100

    Goodness me this is also new to me, I shall have to be more carefull what I put now, but for me it’s all a learning curve, but hopefully I will get there with lots of help. As for me, being retired the extra income would be nice, but the chalenge is just as exciting at the moment as raking in loads of dosh, every time I do something and it works I get a smile on my face, when it doesn’t work, no smile but a persistance in making it work. So guys any help is always good help.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/norelyngatawa norelyngatawa

    I agree. I saw one lens that only had a short paragraph of content. and the rest was purely sales modules. Sometimes this kind of lenses are featured as Lens of the day and I think its unfair.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/minecraftmaximizer minecraftmaximizer

    Google will never let sites which use blackhat SEO methods to thrive for long. I’m glad we are cracking down on spun content to keep discoverability from search engines for the legit users. No-one can outsmart Google forever!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/imraghavthakur imraghavthakur

    deleting a page or an account is not the answer, dont let anyone publish any thing without review, let your automated system work and if it pops out to be a spun/copied content. Then dont publish it. SIMPLE…!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Barkingmad12 Barkingmad12

    i agree :) these offenders should be suspended from squidoo or even banned many lens masters hate spun in their lens (i dont have any lenses as i am new) but people still put these things on their! if i ever came across one of these people all i would say is ‘why?’

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/SoundFinance SoundFinance

    I have noticed a few low quality lenses on my travels

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Steve_Brown Steve_Brown

    I’m dismayed at losing the ability to transfer lenses. I’ve some good lenses that I’ve considered passing on to others. I do understand your stance against “spun content” lenses. However, perhaps you could reinstate the ability to transfer lenses after you complete your housecleaning?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Thamisgith Thamisgith

    Cutting down on spun content can only be a good thing. In the long term, it will benefit everyone.

    Hopefully the transfer ban will be a temporary measure. It doesn’t bother me much (at the moment), but it will make a difference for some people.

    I like the idea of making it a perk rather than a right. It could be a Giant Squid thing, or it could be unlocked at a certain level. Might be a reasonable compromise.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Photahsiamirabel Photahsiamirabel

      To be honest, making it a Giant Squid perk wouldn’t work. There are Giant Squids who might abuse the system too…. I think making it a manual process subject to lens approval is the ONLY way HQ could solve whatever the spun content problem is. One thing is for sure, we are not getting the traffic we should be even accounting for the time of year, so there must be some SEO problem most of us don’t get.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/abharti abharti

    hmmm.

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LubosLabik LubosLabik

      I agree :)

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rakiddd rakiddd

    The problem I have is that when you shut down a lens by saying that we’ve “VIOLATED TOS” you are never specific and never respond to queries. I had several lenses where you’ve indicated that and I have no idea what my violations were and I’ve never gotten a response to my question other than “read our TOS”. Really? I’ve read your TOS now explain to me where the violation existed SO I DON’T DO IT AGAIN! By the same token I see lens that basically say buy, buy, buy and they remain. I don’t get it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/M-Eliz M-Eliz

    More power to you! Now can you do anything about radio and TV advertising? Seriously, I applaud this effort and thanks for keeping your standards.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Miratex Miratex

    Thanks for the warning. We should make nice lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bjsquidoo bjsquidoo

    As one who take the time to research, research and research some more before creating a lens, it is absolutely nerve-wracking when every new lens I create gets “locked” until I go through the whole long, drawn-out “lens locked” review. It has gotten to the point where I am AFRAID to create a new lens because there seems to ALWAYS be something wrong. Mind you, my lenses have been unlocked, thank God, when it was found the the content was mine, all mine, but still, it’s very, very frustrating to take the time to research, write, create, publish and then a day later the lens is locked. I have 10 lens that are active and another 14 that I’ve started but have all but given up on finishing because of the lens lock craze that seems to be prevalent at the moment.

    I don’t create lenses for others, I don’t transfer, I don’t buy lenses, I don’t keyword stuff, I find things I like, things that are fun, things that I think lots of people would be interested in or benefit from and make a lens and BLAMMO – the next day it’s locked. I’ve invested in Copyscape. I’ve run my content through, gotten a 100% original, posted content to a new lens and it’s still been locked.

    So do what you have to to keep Squidoo original and fresh, but when you send out the dreaded lens locked email, have the decency to put EXACTLY what you feel is wrong, not some vague generalized reasons. Show me the module, show me the text, show me something specific that needs to be changed, rewritten deleted, whatever, so if a person, like myself, wants to go back and remove whatever YOU find offensive, we’ll know where to start. It takes you no time to lock a lens, it takes a good deal of time to get a lens unlocked, take the time to make the email module-specific and end the boilerplate rejection of lenses.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/sandyspen sandyspen

    I appreciate the article but not sure I understand it yet. I began here in 2010, but just returned a couple weeks ago. So I need to do much more reading to learn what NOT to do. Thank you for the heads-up!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/studyaids studyaids

    I hope us genuine folk benefit from this. Cheers.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/madamedeals madamedeals

    That is truly irresponsible. I hate spammers.

  • BLemley

    Just personal opinion here, but I’m all for conveying Squidoo as knowledge-based, i.e., know it/show it/grow it versus a retail front for Amazon, or just a retail front.

    Also, I have not transferred a lens, but just this week I realized there is a trophy, “Generosity Looks Good on You” for transferring a lens ~ It sure is cool looking and seems to convey a good spirit. B : )

  • Ahdilarum

    I really appreciate the efforts taken by squidoo to control these problem.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bonniegean bonniegean

    There’s no place for spun content on ANY website and probably more so for a site like Squidoo. Writing may not come easy for some, but it’s a craft anyone can do if they take the time to sit and gain the education necessary to write.

    IF you can speak, you can write! No need to use spun content.

    While I don’t like spun content, I also don’t agree that a penalty against the wrong people will solve the issue. If you want to remove spun content or get a handle on it, do so – but don’t do it across the board and make it blemish those of us who provide solid content that isn’t spun.

    I should be able to transfer lenses if I am ethical in my work. The fact that you want to slap my hands before I do anything wrong is like telling me I’m bad at writing before you read a single word of my prose!

    How silly is that? Exactly!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kmhrsn kmhrsn

    AWESOME. Stick to your guns.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/goldenrulecomics goldenrulecomics

    Has the thinning out begun? I ask because I noticed that all of my lenses — even ones with very few hits — all moved up quite a bit in the rankings and I wondered why. As for spun content I think it’s a good idea to get rid of it. I’m sure there can be some safeguards put in place that will enable some transfers of lenses for those who want to do that.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/madeinamericasc madeinamericasc

    I am concerned with what I just read. The example of shirts hits home form me. My niche is Made In America, an I pour myself and my research into my lenses. There is no template to my lenses, except that I use some of the same modules over and over. I am not after making money, or sales that I get credit for, my purpose is to help Americans buy American products. If you feel my lenses are spun, please let me know and I will move them to a blog outside Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/leilasi leilasi

    It’s great that you say this. I see even some well ranked lenses with spun content and get frustrated to see my carefully crafted ones under it in the rank… A clean Squidoo is what we need!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/catalonia catalonia

    Good news, I may have fallen foul in the past and i have deleted lenses to comply with Squidoo’s TOS.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/EditorDave EditorDave

    Although I’ve had folks offer to buy my lenses, I’ve chosen not to sell them. They are *my babies* and I don’t want them screwed up by someone else turning them in to a marketing mouthpiece for crap. My lenses are *MY STORIES* and also showcases for my joy of photography … I like making unique stories and lenses (and yes, some of my lenses are on stuff so obscure that only folks with strange interests will ever drop by and find them — such as my stuff on stonefish, sea cucumbers, fruitbats, and alien food). But they are *MY STORIES* … and it pisses me off when folks try to add spam to my plexo modules. Those should be set as Default as “No-One Allowed to Add Anything” … if someone wants to allow folks to add stuff, fine. But there are many folks who build a lens and then never go back to visit it to see what’s being added. There are spammers and scammers out there who will just add non-related stuff to a plexo module so they can get a “backlink” … I don’t think that’s within the spirit of Squidoo. But then, I’ve been fooling around with Squidoo since 2007 … I’m glad that Squidoo is *policing* the gang here and weeding out the bad-apples. (Mixed metaphors, I know … but it works.)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/liuxun liuxun

    I know a lot of people purchase content from other resources and just spam here. Good action to stop this.

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LifeCoachEdgar LifeCoachEdgar

    As I was creating my lens, I heard a tiny voice say, don’t paste this really long review from Amazon onto your lens. I ignored the voice and thought it should not cause a problem. Bamm! 24 hours later after posting my Lens, my lens got locked. I have learnt the hard way that one is better off not ignoring that small little voice of intuition.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/viip3r viip3r

    Amazing

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/servantoftheLord servantoftheLord

    I know I already commented two days ago, but I have to say again that I am so glad you all are doing something about the junk I have seen popping up more and more lately on Squidoo. It cheapens Squidoo on the whole and threatens to diminish the efforts of those of us who work hard and stand by our original content. As you say above, it’s not fair to readers. It’s also not fair to lensmasters who are working hard to make great lenses. I know the collateral damage (those who rely on transfers) is upsetting to many, but it seems necessary for the time being. I agree with so many comments I’ve seen here that perhaps transferring could be a privilege reserved for higher level Squids. Perhaps it could even be something for which people could apply to Squidoo to have individual transfers approved . . . and maybe even pay a $1 fee to Squidoo per transfer (with 50 cents going toward the salary of the person who reviews/approves and 50 cents going into the Squidoo Charity fund?) Just a thought.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nicenet nicenet

    Any improvement that will make Squidoo stand out as the best is welcome.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lorlinda lorlinda

    I never used transfer lens anyway, I know I had made a mistake in one of my lens but I am new at this wasn’t intentionally trying to do something wrong. Maybe that is the case for some of these others posting lens. You never know.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/InSearchOf InSearchOf

    This opens my eyes on transferring lenses. I’ve never purchased, sold or transferred lenses and did not understand there were legitimate reasons for doing so until I read some of the comments below from more experienced writers. I am glad that Squidoo is ever-changing in respect to reviewing what works and doesn’t and adjusting things as it grows. I think that is important to the growth and success of Squidoo and understand that there may be growing pains or sometimes choices that may not have had the expected results that may need to be revisited or tweaked back. I love that this community is conscientious about maintaining its high quality that it has worked so hard for.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AprilAlice AprilAlice

    I’m not sure what “transfer lenses” means. Does this mean I would not be able to give my squidoo lenses to my children if/when I become unable to continue to maintain them? If that is the case, I need to give serious thought to building my internet business on other sites.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AppliancesReviews AppliancesReviews

    I am new on Squidoo and I think this is a good testing market tool and that would be it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LabKitty LabKitty

    And, if we may be so bold, lenses consisting entirely of a few sentences at the top (spun or otherwise) followed by 20 pages of Amazon products also need to be deleted.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Jennywrites Jennywrites

    It’s so sad to see this happening to such an awesome site. There are software that use lenses for backlinking only and THIS is killing us!! I am sad to see the option to transfer lenses turned off.. but realize this is due to the abuse that people do!! I will do anything to help Squidoo remain “clean” and stop the pollution. Let me know how I can help!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/alisasue87 alisasue87

    Wow! I am stunned..

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DigiDollars DigiDollars

    Not a big fan of spun content…these types of short cuts simply ruin what the rest of us our trying to build on Squidoo.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Paolo89 Paolo89

    Great idea !

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dustmop dustmop

    I am new at making lens and I hope I do not spun content. I talk about vitamins and my own experiences. Come on people talk from your heart.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/StephanieManning StephanieManning

    Glad to see this! Christmas had a HUGE increase in these types of lenses. One Title would have the same keyword in it 8 times and then in every module title. It looked very useless for the reader while tickling the search engines. Very glad to see you guys stepping in. I know those who do it will not be so happy but hey, we have to keep Squidoo clean or else it will be considered another article farm that no one will take serious. Happy Squidoo-ing!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/heehaw heehaw

    i hope everything goes smoothly in squidoo with this new idea.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/kerryv kerryv

    It’s tough enough to make a living from writing without spun content taking over awesome places like Squidoo. You should take whatever steps necessary to stamp it out.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bohemianstorytellingtours bohemianstorytellingtours

    This dialogue has inspired my latest lens, called Beyond the Squidoo Marketplace. You can find it in the Squidoo Community category.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Zeemer Zeemer

    I am currently editor of an online submission company and we have very stringent rules about spun articles. there should be no grammar, readability and syntax issues before these type of submitted articles are sent out for distribution. as article editor, i detest spun articles. let us reject all together spun articles.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KampSeagull KampSeagull

    I’ve been really disappointed when I’ve come across spun content (didn’t know that’s what it was called) and I’m glad you’re calling it out. Your efforts are appreciated!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/malenk malenk

    do we need to report if we see a lens that looks spun or automated? or do you guys have this under control? I just saw one lensmaster and its obvious that he has sort of template for his lenses and he just replaced each lens with the specific product name.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/YearningAndHarmony YearningAndHarmony

    Suggestion for Liking Lenses … let there be some way of authenticating the liker, such as Captcha, though I’d suggest something a little more secure than Captcha (I have hard experience with that in a myBB forum I’m hosting for a friend). If a human could verify they’re human, and that they love a humanly created lens, it should enjoy being boosted for its quality content.

    I take the point about niches, especially when it comes to internet marketing or making money online. This may be the one most seriously and excessively used and abused “niche” of all time, and there are such piles of FILTH in this area that it’s appalling.

    Personally, if a niche is about marketing and making money, it better very well be with a human touch (I’ve tried this and it’s worked very well for me, and here’s why I think it could work for you, too!). I’ve had my FILL of Project Payday mansions, limos, helicopters and jets. Excessive Carleton Sheets marketing like that should be banned forever from the face of the universe!

    I like the banner at the top of this article: “What’s Your Story? Create a collection of things you know and love!” That is so true that it may be inspiring me to write my next 6 lenses, the first being a brief description of “5 Things That I Know And Love” or something to that effect. For instance, I like Digital Illustration (Inkscape and Comix), Commercial Printing and Graphics. Planespotting and Aviation Photography, Pinball especially Visual Pinball on the PC, Spaces and Places (Digital Photography). Each of these interests could be featured in the main lens with links to other lenses that detail what I know and love about each of these subjects.

    Bottom line … I hope that there’s some way to reduce the “spun content”. It’s so much better to read passionate articles from passionate people. But if there’s no other way found for that, then lenses may have to be pre-approved before publishing, and that just would take the fun out of it.

    If there’s a questionable lens that looks like spun content or spam, is there a way to flag it? If so, let’s browse from time to time and flag these things. Might not get ‘em all … but may get some.

    Thanks, Bonnie, for Squidoo, and for the ongoing battle for “keeping it human”!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Adam_Greenow Adam_Greenow

    I’m new here but totally agree. This site will be avoided if people do not think it’s about genuine content.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TheNinthWave TheNinthWave

    Is my lens like this, or should I edit it more? I edited it some this morning. There might be some duplications because it’s linked to my blogger blog. Also if you notice where it says The Sims 2 – at the top of each one it’s because a lot of times I make The Sims 3 downloads on my blog, and I need for people to distinguish the two.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/LeeStewie LeeStewie

    I’m all for the fight against spun content. I spend so much time writing each and every one of my lenses so it’s great to see that this counts for something!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/BrianS BrianS

    Spun content is an enemy to anyone trying to make an honest living on the Internet, sometimes there has to be a little pain to move forward, but ultimately if this practice can be shut down the honest people will benefit.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TonyGaylord TonyGaylord

    Great idea, thanks.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bskcom bskcom

    Excellent decision!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mommysue mommysue

    I am rather new in the Squidoo community, but it seems that a lot of good people are going to be hurt because of the rule breakers. Is the anyway to have a review for transfers?

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/PaulOnBooks PaulOnBooks

      I suspect a system will be put in place, after the pus has drained from the boil that has just been lanced.

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  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/squidoopets squidoopets

    Dear Seth Godin, Bonnie, Susan, RMS and everyone else at HQ, I’ve been sharing my passions, bringing what I feel is a great deal of traffic and activity to the site, my lenses are successful with the target market, I have donated hundreds of dollars to charity, followed the points/trophies/quests/Giants/squid angel system, yet my actual success can’t seem to compete with the appearance of success. I have tons of comments on my lenses that I moderate for quality, I keep my lenses up to date (vs updated daily with small things in the intro – it worked for awhile to simply change the date daily on all my lenses like many do and call that an update but that to me is manipulating – who really cares about the date?), I do tons of my own artwork, seek out traffic and backlinks by doing work offsite – this takes a great deal of time out of my day and when I add up all the time over the past two years and the income, I still make about half of what minimum wage is. The excitement about the program has died because as it is it doesn’t pay true success and instead rewards the unethical – this I have learned by experience – and with that excitement the willingness to keep contributing has died too. I’m spending too much time trying to keep my lensrank up by legitimate means and I can’t compete with those who manipulate the system as pkmcr, lisaauch, myself and others have described. I am a good and creative writer, I am an honest person, I’m willing to teach, I have skills I bring to the table, and they are currently lost in this program. I am being beat out by the unethical webmasters who don’t care if the whole system goes down, just so long as they collect top dollar for as long as they can. I agree with those who say get rid of the ability to boost lensrank by internal means. Delete the squidliking and angel blessing program. Lower the update frequency of the algorithm to once a month. Keep the social media sharing tools, but delete all association with lensrank. And if HQ is unwilling to consider doing that – please be honest about it so folks can make their own decisions. I’ll wait a bit longer to see if HQ is going to act or if I will continue to be up against the same blocks. I’ll have to work my way up again if I decide to start the process of moving my content/traffic and stop creating new content for squidoo, but at least I can provide my followers with honest advice for how to make money legitimately online. If HQ makes these changes I’ll be able to say to the next generation of online writers, “Squidoo is tried and true”. There is a whole new generation of kids, including my own 9 y/o daughter who watches what happens on squidoo very closely, who can either be taught to cheat, or taught to use integrity. This is the crossroad I am facing. Sincerely, Darcie French

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bookerads bookerads

    It’s a good way to make people step up to the plate for real ! and build their biz on a solid foundation.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/NuttSoRuff NuttSoRuff

    Thanks for the examples of great lenses! They really were great!!!!!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Cari_Kay Cari_Kay

    They don’t get much more personal than my pages :) So glad this is being taken seriously.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/katlupe katlupe

    I agree too. It is strange that so many can transfer a lens and I cannot change my email on Squidoo. I have been trying for two years now to do this. You really need someone to figure it out, it is not that hard for a website to do that. Many times you change an internet provider and don’t have that email address anymore.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Wes2012 Wes2012

    I agree!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Naakordai Naakordai

    I totally agree with your comments!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/nrgfwd nrgfwd

    I agree, I believe spun content is really bad, i think that squiddo is a really great social page like no other so it should not tolerate spun content, i am glad this was brought up to the attention of the users, we need quality not quantity:)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/GamingAudiophile GamingAudiophile

    This is one of the many reasons I only use Squidoo for “niche testing” for the last couple of years now,and when I find one is profitable,I create a wordpress site and build it up so I control & own the property.

    I love Squidoo as well,but after 1) having a lens shut down merely because it was was reported as spam so another lensmaster could use the lens title and build a SPAM lens.

    2)Watching giant squids violate Squidoo TOS with impunity,such as building/promoting lenses for modding Xbox consoles (one lens in particular NOW has a disclaimer which it did not originally) which is ILLEGAL…..yet it still exists,while others are shut down.

    These lenses help no one either,and are why the best bet is to use your own web sites as well….because it is the best and safest way to ensure the profits from your money-making niches continue.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Photahsiamirabel Photahsiamirabel

    You have just spammed and broken the entire thread. Thank you!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MakeHairBows MakeHairBows

    I am happy that Squidoo is clamping down on Spam and Spun lenses. Some of them are really bad.

    How exactly this is linked to selling lenses I don’t understand. Most of us see our Lenses as web properties that has value. The moment I am banned from selling an asset that I have developed, the asset loses substantial value.

    I think preventing a lensmaster to sell an asset, can harm Squidoo as much if not more than spun content.

    Please don’t throw the baby out with the bath water?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/greenthumb2000 greenthumb2000

    well, not very many things seem to ever stay the same in this world. Rules rules, somebody always wants to make more of them and somebody will always want to break them if it suits their fancy. Perhaps if you just try to make quality content with no unacceptable spam it will be recognized in the end to get a good rank n stuff.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ChristianNecklaceBlog ChristianNecklaceBlog

    Yes spun content is rubbish and not what I am about. Even some pages ranking higly on the search engines does not even make sense.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tfsherman tfsherman

    Gee, squidoo, it really isn’t enough to tell your million writers to make lenses which are well written and contain important personal messages, at the same time you hype the write-a-Valentine’s-Day-sales-lens, write-a-St.-Patrick’s-Day-sales-lens, etc. Squidoo’s incessant commercialism originates in squidoo, and as long as making money, even for charity, is squidoo’s primary goal, the lenses submitted by your writers are always going to look considerably worse than what’s handed in in Freshman English.

    And that’s only part of the problem. The other problem I see is that with absolutely no editing, lenses will always be of haphazard quality. It’s lovely that the squidoo community is so cheerful and supportive. But whoever ever heard of an English teacher who never wrote a criticism on a paper? Maybe you need to create the post of Squid Demon to go with your Squid Angel! Someone armed with red ink as well as fairy dust!

    Oh, and I sure hope my niche lenses aren’t in amazon lockdown because of this new ukase. I’m putting my heart and soul in each one, and if my heart and soul isn’t detectable to squidoo search engines, I’ll be very sad.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/iMANDY iMANDY

    Well well, this is all news to me.
    After reading through these comments, I realise that my personal use of Squidoo is so different to many others out there. I was totally unaware that people buy and sell lenses.
    I create lenses not for personal gain, but mainly to inform people of things I feel may be of interest, to keep my brain active and also the challenge of climbing up the ranks as you go along is actually just a personal challenge for me.
    I feel that it is up to an individual as to what content they post on here, but yes, I have come across some lenses that appear to be of interest to me, but disappointingly turn out to be just unattached users just trying to sell me things instead of inform me of what they appear to be promoting.

    After all, isn’t that what Squidoo is all about, reading, learning and informing.
    I’ve always felt that the whole buying scheme on here is for the money makers, good on them, some of the products advertised for sale are attached to wonderful lenses, some others I will take a look at but won’t ‘like’, it’s just not my thing. This is not eBay, if I wanted to purchase products as such, personally, I prefer to do it elsewhere.
    As far as keywords go, I know I’m not guilty of misuse, but I do feel that some people obviously overdo it.
    The innocent people like me are merely just trying to get noticed for their hard work in the big competitive wonderful world of Squidoo.

    In reference to a couple of comments on here about the liking and return liking to climb up the ranks, I would have to say that really, isn’t that what Squidoo is all about, it is kind of like a bata system, I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, isn’t it.
    When I realised that my genuine liking and commenting on wonderful lenses was creating a wonderful ebb and flow effect, it did encourage me to keep paying it forward and reap the lovely benefits of receiving visits myself.
    Feeling that if someone comes to visit my lenses, they either like them or they don’t, everyone has different interests. All I know is that I will ‘like’ something if I genuinely do like the content and if I can see the honesty and hard work they have put in.

    Squidoo will continue to be a wonderful tool for me, I enjoy all aspects of learning and informing and for that I am thankful to have come across this excellent site!
    :)

    • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Val_Bonney Val_Bonney

      Mandy, I couldn’t have put it better myself … I agree with everything you have said here, this is how I use Squidoo, too! :)

      • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/iMANDY iMANDY

        Thank you so much Val, your comment means a lot to me, it’s nice to know that I’m not the only one that feels this way :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Gmill Gmill

    Thanks Bonnie.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rauspitz rauspitz

    There is some great original content on Squidoo and personally, I’d like to see even more.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mecheshier mecheshier

    Yes indeed, quality articles should always be a priority. I feel all spun articles should be removed!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Shadrosky Shadrosky

    Glad to read that something is being done about this…and determined never to utilize such content myself!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/tsgroup tsgroup

    I logged in the other day, and was excited to see that I had earned a number of points because another lensmaster had liked one of my lenses. I was going to thank the person, but then found that their sites were spun. I was disappointed.

    I do agree with poddys that it’s unfortunate that the honest people have to suffer because of the few.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/greatkhan24 greatkhan24

    It’s true spun content and etc is becoming a series offense and can be penalizied.

    But bringing readers to our lenses is a very challenge feat that proves difficult after you have publish your lens article.
    I have six or eight lenses and only four are getting notice and are in blue light.
    The rest are sitting on red, and they need readers.
    Squidoo can be a means of making a decent living? However, how can one make money online when theirs competetion involved.
    Their could be a domino affect that could lead to squidoo becoming unpopular to some masses.
    If this crack down goes down.
    “Here the hammer stroke shall fall down hard.”
    -Gandalf the White

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/luckystar3 luckystar3

    Very good, there are a lot of bulk spinners people are using to get trashy articles. The sad thing is, both the people providing and the people purchasing these spun text articles. Have no idea of good grammar and reasonable keyword density.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Aijaz-Mughal Aijaz-Mughal

    I think both categories of people are here Quality Content & Spun Content :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/roboscooters roboscooters

    yes, if you didnt write it you shouldnt get credit for it

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rajasbanquet rajasbanquet

    What a shame…!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Bestbuyguide Bestbuyguide

    Just because a lens is a sales lens, doesn’t mean that it is not original or have anything to offer.
    Squidoo has just cut its own earnings in half because it has just bit the hand that feeds it.
    The lenses being attacked are original AND not spun!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/onlyforwork onlyforwork

    I really appreciate this step of squidoo

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/world4ever2013 world4ever2013

    If you can’t produce your own content, you’re in the wrong business.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Mickie_G Mickie_G

    At last! Yes, I do have some lenses that need to be deleted from way-back-when! A few years ago, it seemed that Squidooers were being asked to create lenses that sold Amazon products and like others, I created pages with a lots of Amazon modules to sell stuff. I usually tried to promote products that I used or researched extensively, but I was also guilty of being greedy.

    Like so many other lensmasters, I have become disgusted by pages that offer no real personal opinions about products and have not been giving “likes” freely. I believe that those spammy pages have hurt the reputation of our (I have been here a long time, y’all, so I do think of Squidoo as my home) website.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/graceonline Kathryn Grace

    Bonnie, I am grateful for this emphasis and for providing us with tools to help us discover whether we might be keyword stuffing. I loved the lens, “How a rat bike captured my heart.” Truly exemplary writing. How seamlessly he integrated sales modules into the narrative so they were entirely natural as well as beneficial to the dirt bike aficionado or wannabe rider. Likewise “Top 10 dystopian love stories.” May we all raise our personal bar so high. Thank you!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/bizmanest bizmanest

    What can I say – just do not try to cheat the system

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Kate-Phizackerley Kate-Phizackerley

    The problem is a much more basic one. Squidoo has got too big. When it was small human checks would catch most of the bad lenses. As Squidoo has grown, more and more effort has had to go into dealing with bed lenses. Back in the days when Angels we appointed for a term, spotting spammy lenses was a big part of the job. Now Squidoo is even bigger and its down to rules and algorithms. And I don’t believe they will succeed because as each change of rules comes along, people will find ways to defeat the rules.

    Writing quality, unique content takes time. Every time we get a rule change lensmasters have to backtrack over existing lenses rather than write new content. Sooner or later lensmaster get fed up of that wasted effort and, those who really can write quality content, move elsewhere. More rules are not the answer to the underlying problems. Personally I would reserve tier payments exclusively to lenses which have no outgoing links or lensmaster added selling modules. Use tier payments to motivate those who simply write high quality content. At present the system works against quality content and it needs to be reshaped to work for it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/michelleroe michelleroe

    Is there a way we can let you know when we find this kind of lenses?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ruthclark3 ruthclark3

    I have never used spun content nor will I. That goes against everything I believe. I haven’t been here long enough to be affected by this, but I can see both sides I think. Something has to be done to preserve the integrity of Squidoo, but maybe there can be a compromise somewhere to help those who do not abuse the privilege of being a good lensmaster. I don’t know. I’m not knowledgeable enough about the issues involved, but I will be following closely to learn all that I can. I want to be a part of Squidoo but will only do so with integrity.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/dickscott dickscott

    Personality will always win in the end no matter how many copycats its out there!
    To Fly Like An Eagle
    To Dare Like A Bear
    To Raise Like A Mountain
    To Love Instead Of Fear
    DickScott

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/d-artist d-artist

    Bonnie I really don’t understand what spun content is… Is there a easy way to explain… Sorry am not good at stuff like this :-(

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/michalk michalk

    No One likes spam – But no one likes to read all the extra stuff that you have to put on lenses (or website for google – it’s the same idea). Ideally, no one should sell anything on squidoo, It should be like a magazine with good articles but a lot of people (don’t know if it’s most) have to make a living so they make nice sites (lenses) with the goal of ranking in google. Then they do need to post links.
    The ones that are crazy with links just chase the readers away

  • https://plus.google.com/104416249503115298326/about Treathyl FOX

    (A) With regard to the ability to transfer lenses? I was never sure how that worked anyway! (B) However with respect … and truly I say this with great respect to Squidoo management and staff … automated tools are helpful. Sure there are probably blatant content violators. But before picking up your “automated axe” and just swinging I.T.!! … Can’t you give the lensmaster a WARNING? The article’s title incorporates the phrase “the need to be human”. (C) Also, did you all give up on the idea of individual subdomains for the lensmasters? I thought at one time it was being considered. They did that at HUBPages. They did it at Suite101 and then switched back when they changed their system. I’m just asking.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/FlaminCatDesigns FlaminCatDesigns

    I’m for good content. I hope I meet the mark.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/totallyclever totallyclever

    As a writer, I certainly don’t like spun content. None of the lenses that I produce have ever been spun yet I am still hit by not being able to transfer lenses.

    Stopping transfers is a case of treating the symptoms, not the cause.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/judylynnparchman judylynnparchman

    I agree…it should be personal.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/michalk michalk

    There are great lenses but sometimes there are overdone lenses. People just go on and on to prove that they have lots of content. It gets to be like a competition of whose in longer.

    When I make a lens I always remember what my HS teacher used to say when we would ask him how long a report should be

    “It should be like a girl’s skirt — Long enough to cover the subject, But short enough to be interesting” :)

    I hope that didn’t offend anyone – I think it’s funny to say to high schoolers and I still chuckle about it many, many years later

  • Guest

    anyway, for the last 3 months the clicks on squidoo fell at half, so this action should be something desperate to save situation, maybe we should wait. But the filter what is used is not the best, as i have a lens not publishable, about article backlinking, with a list of article directories, accused of bad language…about transfers, i am not interested, but i can not find any reason to stop this action in the same time with the superfilter…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/akarki akarki

    anyway, for the last 3 months the clicks on squidoo fell at half, so this action should be something desperate to save situation, maybe we should wait. But the filter what is used is not the best, as i have a lens not publishable, about article backlinking, with a list of article directories, accused of bad language…about transfers, i am not interested, but i can not find any reason to stop this action in the same time with the superfilter…if the filter works properly.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Wahponywoo Wahponywoo

    Geez spun content is so 2008ish … going forward search engines are getting far too smart to be fooled.. not to mention the poor individual reading the mess… it is bad enough when someone (like myself) is challenged with poor grammar skills (I knew I would pay for not paying attention in English class) but to intentionally churn out rubbish is beyond me. I proof read my lenses as much as possible and still find myself scratching my head wondering “What the heck was I thinking that day!”

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Squidelle Squidelle

    Very disturbing; hopefully this can be fixed.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/mjo78910 mjo78910

    Spun Content is not the worst thing ever!!! It is so not cool. I would totally not ‘like’ the pages they post.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ChefWilliam ChefWilliam

    I don’t like to read spun contest as shown above. I have not been here long enough to talk about people selling quality lenses. and really wouldn’t be purchasing them anyway. I do enjoy being here and hope to continue to add lenses that people will enjoy and perhaps I can make a couple of dollars along the way without offending anyone.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/CanDoDaddy CanDoDaddy

    Spun content is always a problem. It’s like guns and cars: we can’t get rid of them but we can set up policies and procedure which help to contain potential damage.

    However, I think not allowing transfer of lenses is not an effective way to contain spin. I like to transfer lenses between my different accounts and none of my content is spun. Never will be. Sounds like an overreaction. Please come up with some other regulations that will more directly address spin.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/sandyspider sandyspider

    Is this a temporary thing with the transferred lenses? I am
    glad I have already done my transferring when creating my niche accounts. I too
    have written lenses for others and look forward to that little bit of income.

    As a Giant, I do not go for spun writing and glad that will
    be looked at. But I have been penalized for duplicate content in templates that
    have a little advertisement about Zazzle and 3dRose, that I keep at the bottom
    of the pages. When I take out the wording then it is all good. I guess I am
    questioning what is the purpose of creating templates if even the smallest of
    things is considered as duplicate.

    It is a shame that we all have to suffer because of a few
    bad Squids. I feel good about my lenses but also feel that even the smallest
    thing will get them locked. Up until now, Squidoo had been my favorite place to
    write for.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/happynutritionist happynutritionist

    I’ve spent quite a bit of time reading through many of the comments and don’t have anything to add. It doesn’t affect me a lot as I don’t buy sell or transfer, but hope all works out for those that do, love some of the ideas, learned from others, this is a great community for that, sharing ideas and coming to good solutions.

    Thanks as always.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/maxxreal maxxreal

    i understand squidoo wanting originality and it makes sense,yet i don’t get why spun content would be such an issue on here. Must be some people takin advantage to cause this.Maybe its a good thing that people learn to write their own real opinions.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Ido727 Ido727

    Agree, keep squidoo’s high quality is very important, but I don’t think turn off transfer is the key to stop it. Better building a tool to detect it.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/simon-batty simon-batty

    Excellent work Squidoo. I look forward to the day when all these lenses are deleted along with the accounts who created them .

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/ahmedkabir31 ahmedkabir31

    I thought of usin article spinners, but then i decided not to use them and write original content wether less than what was i planning too write.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Debbie_Brown Debbie_Brown

    Wow, i hope things get resolved soon…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/OrganicGiftsByDiana OrganicGiftsByDiana

    Thank you SO much – I have wondered how so many folks could have so many lenses and also exhibit any sort of quality content.
    Then, I went looking and noticed that many that I have seen did not :(
    I don’t mind if a person has 100 lenses and 98 of good, quality lenses with just 2 being commercial “fluff” to get sales – that’s being human, but I’ve seen so much junk out there that I quit making lenses for a long while because I was spending so much time trying to make good lenses and then trying to keep adding to them and then maintaining them… that I wasn’t getting some of my other work done.
    And, My helpful, heart-felt leness that I had spent SO much time on, were not getting noticed by Squidoo – but I saw quite a few “fluff” ones getting accolades like L.O.T.D. and purple stars ???
    I almost left Squidoo :(
    My first few lenses took days to think about and then to create.
    I struggled to make them helpful, fun, interesting…
    My last few, I only spent an hour tops on them – because what was the point – Squidoo didn’t care about quality it seemed and lenses were mainly being used by so many for selling things and/or to make Squid cash from the ads on the page.
    Now that I see that Squidoo does seem to care, I will go in and work on my newer, less quality lenses that were made when all that was encouraged was quantity :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/OrganicGiftsByDiana OrganicGiftsByDiana

    Thank you SO much – I have wondered how so many folks could have so many lenses and also exhibit any sort of quality content.

    Then, I went looking and noticed that many that I have seen did not :(

    I don’t mind if a person has 100 lenses and 98 of good, quality lenses with just 2 being commercial “fluff” to get sales – that’s being human, but I’ve seen so much junk out there that I quit making lenses for a long while because I was spending so much time trying to make good lenses and then trying to keep adding to them and then maintaining them… that I wasn’t getting some of my other work done.

    And, My helpful, heart-felt leness that I had spent SO much time on, were not getting noticed by Squidoo – but I saw quite a few “fluff” ones getting accolades like L.O.T.D. and purple stars ???

    I almost left Squidoo :(

    My first few lenses took days to think about and then to create.

    I struggled to make them helpful, fun, interesting…

    My last few, I only spent an hour tops on them – because what was the point – Squidoo didn’t care about quality it seemed and lenses were mainly being used by so many for selling things and/or to make Squid cash from the ads on the page.

    Now that I see that Squidoo does seem to care, I will go in and work on my newer, less quality lenses that were made when all that was encouraged was quantity :)

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/internetsuc6 internetsuc6

    Great Great Learned A lot Again

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/zafsot zafsot

    Glad to hear this. Squidoo is unique and personal and should stay like this.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MrAusAdventure MrAusAdventure

    I have recently started this second account to align Lenses that are of the Australia/travel/adventure niche and to keep my other account (Rawbill) more aligned with health related Lenses. I had planned on moving some of these adventure Lenses over once I had made a few more in my other account so I could keep my Giant Squid status. I am hoping that the powers that be here change their mind on allowing the transfer of Lenses for this reason as I know from reading below that others feel the same way as I do.

    While I dislike Lenses that offer little more than selling stuff through Affiliate links and Amazon modules, I do not think that stopping the ability to transfer is the answer.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/freethemes4all freethemes4all

    in fact in every popular website there is and have be an Idiots spammers and scammers who think they do right by writing such lens to get traffic…etc what i enjoy in squidoo is the high quality content and the knowledge we can get from all talented and experts members over here… This idiots will not delete them crap for sure… so the ban and suspend is the only solution…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Teri-Singer Teri-Singer

    It’s difficult to imagine that there are those who care little about being original. Perhaps they have yet to realize that creativity is part of being human.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Omena777 Omena777

    Ok, I think I’m getting this.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/gonzalezdenise gonzalezdenise

    Thanks for the great ideas.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/superbros superbros

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Fasttrail Fasttrail

    I have to agree on not using Spun content. The purpose really is to tell a story your way but with your experience.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/haide-olivaresterrazas haide-olivaresterrazas

    i don’t know how squidoo check my article as spam,i usually spents hours to writing a article of my own they look perfects,but the squidoo system say it is spam,but i check some article that are full of advertise and it is bad or someting that copy and spun,they goes well.just lose patient of squidoo

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/lizziebeth lizziebeth

    I think one solution to spun or plagiarized lenses is to allow a “report” button on each lens so that people who don’t follow the rules of the internet can be forced to stop this, and allow original posters to thrive.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jessie1248 jessie1248

    Great message Bonnie! Will tweet!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jessie1248 jessie1248

    Great lens Bonnie!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/gonzalezdenise gonzalezdenise

    Thanks.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jakealoo jakealoo

    @squidoo-0cfdc385bc8a2e01cc4936f22cb048b5:disqus I 100% agree with you.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/DAEdmonston DAEdmonston

    I’m glad Squidoo is doing this. I don’t mind having adds that pertain to my lens, but I can’t stand to be part of junk distribution. Keep up the good work!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/jamezsquidoo jamezsquidoo

    Keep squidoo original … we cannot allow it to become myspace!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/AlexanderRose AlexanderRose

    I stopped using Squidoo when one of my lenses was locked for duplicate content when I handwrote it myself. It’s also hypocritical when there are lenses that are like made completely and totally as sales lenses with nothing but links to pricey Amazon products which are currently making their lensmasters hundreds if not thousands per month, yet because they are Giant Squids they are ignored. Now I’m not saying that they are in the wrong. If someone is looking for a product on Google, and they find it through your lens and get the product they wanted. Is that a bad thing? No.

    I’ve toyed with the idea of writing further lenses but I don’t think it’s fair to my would be readers if my stuff gets locked because someone doesn’t care the high number of false positives that automated detection mechanisms make.

  • John Reed

    I understand and support the intent to improve the quality of Lenses but it may seem a bit harsh in the wide scope of the corrective action. It won’t affect me (and I do mean affect and not effect) but what did make me snort and then laugh was to visit one of your “Example Lenses” and find there a Google Ad for Spin Rewriter!!
    John

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/OnlinePurchaseAdvisor OnlinePurchaseAdvisor

    Am new and came to know about new changes that happened recently on squidoo will follow all the rules to get a better community.

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